Thomas and colleagues provide a new Mg/Ca-based deep water temperature record and d18Osw reconstruction from IODP Site U1385 in addition to global compilations of deep ocean temperature and d18Osw. Although I did not review the previous version, it is apparent from the response to reviewers and authors’ tracked changes that the authors have made significant modifications in response to the previous reviewers’ concerns. To that end, I intend to provide a lighter touch review that mostly focuses on readability. Overall I found this manuscript well suited for publication in Climate of the Past following a series of minor changes, below.
Abstract L8-22. Two minor issues here:
1. The abstract is missing an opening 1-2 sentences of essential framing for this study. Why is it important to have basin-scale and globally distributed compilations of deep-water temperature and d18Osw? The authors provide this in L24-61; they just need include the executive summary of the problem here.
2. Surprisingly, in the abstract the authors do not mention the major data product of their work: A new Mg/Ca-derived bottom water temperature reconstruction from Site U1385. That should be added as a “Here we” sentence coming prior to the current 1st abstract sentence.
L24. Is 0.64 million a typo, perhaps from being one key off to the left? Usually the MPT is noted as 1.25 to 0.75 Ma (e.g., Herbert, 2023).
L32. Also cite Chalk et al. 2017 and Farmer et al. 2019, here, as both studies delved into the NH vs SH controls on the MPT.
L75-78. Not necessary, but this would be a useful distinction to visualize in a supplementary figure.
L79-90, and again on L119. A question on the veracity of the stacking approach: Is it to be expected that U1385, at a 2578m and in the northeastern basin, would record the same watermass characteristics as DSDP 607, at 3427m and in the northwestern basin? On L119 the authors state that “All study sites are deeper than 2500m and are therefore assumed to be representative of the deep ocean”. That is a major oversimplification. And it is noteworthy to this reviewer that the temperature estimates in Table 1 are about 0.7°C offset for the two sites, which is significant for the deep ocean and suggests that the two sites may reside in different “limbs” of modern NADW. I should note that the results section supports the stacking approach, but it would help to have a bit more modern support for the method.
To address this, the authors should compare the modern density of seawater at these two locations to see if they fall within the same watermass (see, e.g., Liu & Tanhua, Ocean Sciences, 2021).
Liu, M. and Tanhua, T., 2021. Water masses in the Atlantic Ocean: characteristics and distributions. Ocean Science, 17(2), pp.463-486.
L93. Simplify: “Although there are few deconvolved benthic…”
L148. meters
L153-163. If this wasn’t a revision and I wasn’t providing a review for the first time, I’d recommend that the authors use a consistent age model approach (ProbStack) for all records. But, alas, I ‘m not sure that’s an entirely fair new comment at the revision stage, so I’ll defer to the authors if such consistency is necessary for their stacking approach.
L265-290. Solving for d18Osw. A question here concerns the alignment of data generated from different foraminifera species with different depth habitats. G. affinis can be found quite deep (up to 15 cm), whereas C. wuellerstorfi is thought to be epifaunal (e.g., Corliss, 1985). In the case where the authors are calculating d18Osw from d18O in C. wuellerstorfi and BWT derived from Mg/Ca in G. affinis, how sure are they that the two proxy measurements are in fact contemporaneous in time? One might expect that the C. wuellerstorfi d18O data lead the G. affinis data.
To address this, the authors could compare d18O from C. wuellerstorfi and G. affinis in the same depths; if they are comparable with known species offsets, then this depth habitat offset is probably negligible. They could also note the high sedimentation rate of the site (10 cm/kyr, Hodell et al. 2015) which would make any depth habitat difference minor in time. And the 3kyr interpolation (L305) probably makes this a moot point. But worth adding a sentence or two in the methods to note/refute this habitat depth issue.
Corliss, B.H., 1985. Microhabitats of benthic foraminifera within deep-sea sediments. Nature, 314(6010), pp.435-438.
L378. For ease of comparison, please express the equivalent amounts of cooling at U1385 over the two time intervals.
L383-384. Agreed.
L385-386. Please delete this. The comparison to SST is not a point for results, but rather a point for the discussion further down when these data are presented in Fig. 9 and L468-470.
Figures 3-7 & throughout. It would really help the reader if all records from one region maintained a consistent color family throughout these figures. For instance, Site 1123 shifts from light blue (Fig. 3, 5) to dark blue (Fig. 4, 6) to pink/red/purple in the stacks in Fig. 7. Why not keep Atlantic red-scale and Pacific blue-scale, or vice versa?
L416-417. How are you evaluating that Atlantic d18Osw increased across the MPT? I cannot see any notable change.
L424-425. It would be worth reminding the reader if this is the stack in question here is volumetrically weighted.
L474. Missing period at end of sentence
L474-478. Suggest reversing the order of these sentences, with the eNd interpretive caveat following the eNd data sentence, but before the d13C gradient sentence.
L479-480. Worth stating the assumption that the salinity of NCW was maintained.
L522-540. The authors’ might be able to make their lives much simpler here if they reframe this discussion in terms of how the processes they discuss impact the global efficiency of the biological pump (e.g., Sigman et al., 2010). The relevant processes needed to sequester atmospheric CO2 in the deep ocean require that a greater fraction of the nutrients in the ocean interior are derived from the remineralization of sinking organic matter (“regenerated”) instead of advected via deep water formation (“preformed”). In ocean models, any increase in the regenerated/preformed nutrient content of the deep ocean has been shown to sequester atmospheric CO2 (Marinov et al. 2006; 2008). This could happen via (1) a decrease in the rate of upwelling (“stratification”) and/or (2) an increase in the consumption of major nutrients.
Marinov, I., Gnanadesikan, A., Toggweiler, J.R. and Sarmiento, J.L., 2006. The southern ocean biogeochemical divide. Nature, 441(7096), pp.964-967.
Marinov, I., Gnanadesikan, A., Sarmiento, J.L., Toggweiler, J.R., Follows, M. and Mignone, B.K., 2008. Impact of oceanic circulation on biological carbon storage in the ocean and atmospheric pCO2. Global Biogeochemical Cycles, 22(3).
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L545-546. I agree, but nonetheless recommend deleting. We should not assume that an unpublished record is going to solve a current problem. What if the gas record is compromised by diffusion or respiration, or if the samples are lost?
L561. Change “older than” to “before”, and “after which” to “but after 1200 ka the amplitude…”
L579. Typo: Site 607
L584-585. I’m starting to wonder if the authors were paid to advertise the Beyond EPICA project! See point above. It would be sufficient to say “higher resolution MOT data are needed to capture the full amplitude of glacial-interglacial variations”.
L608-609. What does it mean for Site 1208 to have “anomalously high temperatures during MIS 22”? What is the point for comparison?
L611. Specify who “They” refers to, as the previous sentence switched orientation from the authors’ results, to Clark et al.’s results, back to the authors’ results.
L639-641. Wouldn’t it be more direct to look for evidence of dissolution in the tests used, e.g. Poirier et al. (2021)? B/Ca would tell you the carbonate ion saturation of the overlying water column, which if anything could be buffered by dissolution.
Poirier, R.K., Gaetano, M.Q., Acevedo, K., Schaller, M.F., Raymo, M.E. and Kozdon, R., 2021. Quantifying diagenesis, contributing factors, and resulting isotopic bias in benthic foraminifera using the foraminiferal preservation index: Implications for geochemical proxy records. Paleoceanography and Paleoclimatology, 36(5), p.e2020PA004110.
L642. Delete space between sigma and end-parenthesis.
L655. Reference typo: Shackleton and Opdyke, 1973.
L655. The MPT is thought to involve a fundamental change…
L658. Suggest, or show?
L669-671. Now here is fine to include Beyond EPICA. |
It would be helpful to add uncertainties to all time series shown in Figure 12.