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https://doi.org/10.5194/cp-21-327-2025
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Strong volcanic-induced climatic shocks on historical Moselle wine production
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RC1: 'Comment on cp-2024-41', Anonymous Referee #1, 04 Jul 2024
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RC2: 'Reply on AC1', Anonymous Referee #1, 25 Jul 2024
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Fredrik Charpentier Ljungqvist, 23 Jul 2024
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RC3: 'Comment on cp-2024-41', Anonymous Referee #2, 06 Aug 2024
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Ljungqvist et al.: Strong volcanic-induced climatic shocks on historical Moselle wine Production
The paper is statistical in nature, utilizing standard methods and providing a rather descriptive analysis without addressing underlying dynamics, processes, and associated uncertainties. The authors assume a significant influence of strong tropical eruptions on local and regional climate, which in turn affects wine production. However, the study does not perform a detection/attribution analysis to clearly distinguish the contributions of different forcings versus natural climate variability. Additionally, it does not discuss other non-climatic factors relevant to grape and vine variability.
For instance, Broennimann and Kraemer (2016) discuss the Tambora volcano and the "year without a summer" in central Europe, observing its impacts on society. They address the extent to which the cold summer of 1816 was due to the volcano, clearly stating that a volcanic signal was present (supported by Schurer et al. 2019). However, the studies also show, that random internal variability of the climate system likely contributed significantly. Broennimann and Kraemer (2016) propose a Climate–Society Interaction Model, where climatic anomalies lead to biophysical effects (such as low harvest yields), which then impact society. In coping with these consequences, society interacts not only with socioeconomic and political systems but also with the biophysical world. The point I want to emphasize is that such considerations should be discussed and included in this study, rather than relying solely on statistical methods with descriptive interpretations lacking causal information.
Thus, the purpose of the study is misleading. It says that:
In this article we systematically investigate the impact from climate, with particular focus on the influence from volcanic forcing, on the two above-mentioned long wine production quantity series. We will first assess the effects of volcanic forced cooling on wine production using superposed epoch analysis (SEA) appropriate for studying episodic events in non-stationary time-series.
In summary, in a revised version, those points will need to be addressed first before results can be presented. Thus, my review is rather generic and only includes specifics related to the introduction. I am happy to provide a review on a revised version addressing and clarifying the major points above.
Comments related to the introduction:
Lines 16 ff: This statement: The climatic response to volcanic forcing during the past few millennia has been studied intensively from local to global scales typically using tree-ring data from strongly temperature-limited growth environments
Is too narrow in focus, as also other proxies as used apart from tree rings, thus it should be extended in scope and citing appropriate papers.
Lines 17 ff: Also this statement is too narrow in scope as there is published literature on the impacts. Can I please ask the authors to review the literature and cite appropriate studies. Some are listed in the reference listed, more can be found with a proper literature review.
Lines 20/21: This statement needs to be reworded as there is plenty of publications that provide evidence on the impact of strong tropical volcanoes on tree-growth. The authors should be fully aware of that fact as they are working in this field for years.
Line 23 ff: The author should include more publications on the topic to be fully inclusive and complete and address also non climatic effects on grapevine. A couple of additional references are provided in the references below
Line 35 ff: the same comment as above, the text and references are not complete and rather narrow chosen and biased towards tree ring information. The authors, as concentrating on Europe, should use update with appropriate and suitable references on the topic volcano/local/regional climate impacts. For instance, Fischer et al. 2007 is a good reference.
Line 51ff: This section needs to be updated with recent evidence and publications
Line 54 ff: you may need to complement this part with other publications, including Meier et al and others
Minor issues:
Pfister et al. 2023 should be 2024
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Schurer, A.P., Hegerl, G.C., Luterbacher, J., Brönnimann, S., Cowan, T., Tett, S., Zanchettin, D., and Timmreck, C., 2019: Disentangling the causes of the 1816 European year without a Summer. Environ. Res. Lett. 14, 094019
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