Articles | Volume 21, issue 11
https://doi.org/10.5194/cp-21-2115-2025
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Oligocene-early Miocene paradox of pCO2 inferred from alkenone carbon isotopic fractionation and sea surface temperature trends
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CC1: 'Comment on cp-2024-65', Peter Bijl, 11 Nov 2024
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AR by José Guitián on behalf of the Authors (07 Oct 2025)
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I read the manuscript with great interest, it represents an interesting set of new data spanning the Oligocene-Miocene boundary. I am in general happy with the manuscript, but do feel that a lot of published information on Site 1168 is omitted, while these actually shed light on the interpretation of the data. First of all, the dinoflagellate cyst-based oceanographic reconstructions (Hoem et al., 2021; Hou et al., 2023b) shed light on the prevailing ocean conditions at the site: potential changes in upwelling, the ocean zone overlying the site, proximity of the subtropical front, presence of Leeuwin Current Influence, etc. all of which are crucial to at least qualitatively assess growth conditions and thus the ep and pCO2 reconstructions from this site. The papers referenced above would show (by the rather constant dinoflagellate cyst assemblage composition) little latitudinal migration of fronts and the high abundance of Spiniferites evidence for a persistent influence of the Leeuwin Current at the site. Secondly, the high-resolution TEX86-based SST data is also available for Site 1168 (Hou et al., 2023a). Although it makes sense to infer SST from alkenones to infer CO2 and ep, for arguments made in the paper, I think the TEX86 record still has value in the presentation of the oceanography at the site. I understand that this work was the result of a PhD project and that this part of the thesis was finished before the publication of these papers, and in that light it it understandable that the said studies were omitted. I suggest the authors do incorporate this information in a more comprehensive picture of the oceanographic development at ODP Site 1168 so that the whole study becomes more complete.
Also, the ACC development illustration in Figure 8 is somewhat outdated by recent insights that suggest that the modern-strength ACC did not start until the late Miocene (Evangelinos et al., 2022; 2024). Before that time, the ACC remained arguably weak (see, e.g., Sauermilch et al., 2021 for a recent modelling study).
Regards, Peter Bijl
References used in this comment
Evangelinos, D., et al. (2022). "Absence of a strong, deep-reaching Antarctic Circumpolar Current zonal flow across the Tasmanian gateway during the Oligocene to early Miocene." Global and Planetary Change 208.
Evangelinos, D., et al. (2024). "Late Miocene onset of the modern Antarctic Circumpolar Current." Nature Geoscience 17(2): 165-170.
Hoem, F. S., et al. (2021). "Late Eocene-early Miocene evolution of the southern Australian subtropical front: a marine palynological approach." Journal of Micropalaeontology 40(2): 175-193.
Hou, S., et al. (2022). "Lipid biomarker-based sea (sub)surface temperature record offshore Tasmania over the last 23 million years." Clim. Past Discuss. 2022: 1-33.
Hou, S., et al. (2023). "Equatorward subtropical front migration and strong dee-sea cooling in the Neogene." Nature Communications 14: 7230.
Sauermilch, I., et al. (2021). "Gateway-driven weakening of ocean gyres leads to Southern Ocean cooling." Nature Communications 12(1).