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Hydroclimatic variability of opposing Late Pleistocene climates in the Levant revealed by deep Dead Sea sediments
Yoav Ben Dor
Francesco Marra
Moshe Armon
Yehouda Enzel
Achim Brauer
Markus Julius Schwab
Efrat Morin
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RC1: 'Comment on cp-2020-161', Anonymous Referee #1, 09 Feb 2021
General comments
The preprint by Yoav Ben Dor and colleagues presents an interesting, and potentially important data set from two sections of the Dead Sea cores.
The data are worthy of publication, and are analysed in appropriate ways. Time series of this resolution remain rare, especially for the time periods discussed here and offer an important insight into subdecadal variability, important from a palaeoclimate point of view, but also for understanding the rich archaeological record from the Levant.
I wonder here if the story is more about how the lake record responds, or doesn’t, to climate rather than the climate itself. The system is clearly more sensitive to recording changes in climate in periods of higher rainfall, which are actually quite rare in the 1400 years presented here, and in the ∂18O records from previous work re-analysed here for comparison.
Is there an even more nuanced story about where this rainfall is falling in the catchment as well as from where the rainfall is originating, and are there ways of ever picking that apart – I’m not suggesting this should be done in this paper, just that it may be worth considering and acknowledging here.
I would have liked to see a bit more discussion about the varve deposition story, which the authors are very well positioned to tell, in this paper, rather than trying to focus on a climate story that may not be there, at least not in large parts of these records. Or the climate story is that for large parts of these time windows there was no cyclic climate system driving rainfall input to the lake.
In summary, I think the authors need to be a bit more cautious about their conclusions, which in no way detracts from the interesting data presented.
Specific comments
This maybe in the other papers by the author team, but can you distinguish between a detrital laminae with sub-layers and a period with no aragonite laminae deposition? From this paper it appears the assumption is that you will always have an aragonite sub-layer?
Please make it clear throughout which data are new here and which are from Ben Dor et al., 2018 e.g. Figure 1 looks very similar to figure panels from that paper.
Is it possible to be more precise with the ages? This may be discussed in the other paper in more detail, but a bit more detail of the chronology would be useful for readers who approach your work through this paper.
As I suggest above, I’m not convinced by the wavelet analysis presented in Figure 7 as a strong support for your hypotheses of persistent cycles, even in wetter periods.
Technical corrections
Line 11 relying not relaying
Line 26 time-scales
Line 69 ‘a series of waterbodies’ or ‘a waterbody series’
Line 101 during episodes of rising lake level
Line 114 please list Ben Dor et al in the reference list, and remove if not accepted before this one.
Figure 1 is too small, I suggest splitting into 2 figures so the maps and plates of the thin sections can be viewed clearly – space is not as big a premium in this journal compared to where these images first appeared.
Line 228 thicknesses range or thickness ranges
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/cp-2020-161-RC1 -
AC2: 'Reply on RC1', Yoav Ben Dor, 24 Jun 2021
Response to Report #1
By Anonymous Referee #1
Response to general comments:
We appreciate the reviewer’s comments and overall positive attitude towards the manuscript. We will adjust the discussion to address the comments made by the reviewer, such as the possible role of different precipitation sources on the hydrologic and the isotopic signal of the studied sediments. We will also improve the introduction and discussion sections addressing laminae formation, and make sure that our conclusions are distinct from any conjectures, and that they are directly supported by the data and its analyses. Considering the other reviews, we acknowledge the notion that no distinct periodical component is clearly identified in our records, and we will adjust the discussion and conclusions accordingly.
Response to specific comments:
Comment: This maybe in the other papers by the author team, but can you distinguish between a detrital laminae with sub-layers and a period with no aragonite laminae deposition? From this paper it appears the assumption is that you will always have an aragonite sub-layer?
Response: The nature of the sediments and the way that we understand their formation, according to modern analogues and previous detailed investigations of available exposures, suggest that detritus-aragonite couplets are deposited annually, thus forming varves. This is further supported by our microfacies analyses based on continuously sampled thin sections, in which we observe even slight changes in the sediments in details. This is further supported by previous studies of the Dead Sea sedimentary record (e.g., Stein et al., 1997; Marco et al., 1996), the study of modern lakes by monitoring and recent cores, and the agreement between laminae counting and independent radiometric dating such as 14C and U-Th (Prasad et al., 2009; Haase-Schramm et al., 2004). Thus, because no deposition of alternating aragonite and detritus takes place under modern conditions in the Dead Sea (e.g., Ben Dor et al., 2021), the interpretation of alternating aragonite and detritus facies as annual deposits is, to some extent, a (pretty solid) assumption, as it cannot be directly determined for the studied interval Lake Lisan (e.g., Prasad et al., 2004; Ben Dor et al., 2019). We will make sure this is clear in the introduction of the revised version.
Comment: Please make it clear throughout which data are new here and which are from Ben Dor et al., 2018 e.g. Figure 1 looks very similar to figure panels from that paper.
Response: We will clarify which parts of the data are new. The only previously published data is the annual flood frequency, which was published in Ben Dor et al., 2018. We will readjust the figures and their captions accordingly.
Comment: Is it possible to be more precise with the ages? This may be discussed in the other paper in more detail, but a bit more detail of the chronology would be useful for readers who approach your work through this paper.
Response: We will elaborate on the age-depth model in the introduction of the core and its determination.
Comment: As I suggest above, I’m not convinced by the wavelet analysis presented in Figure 7 as a strong support for your hypotheses of persistent cycles, even in wetter periods.
Response: Thank you for pointing this out. We will revise the manuscript according to this comment and also in light of the comments made by the other reviewers. As suggested by the other reviewer, we will calculate the area-wise false positive detection estimation and the wavelet coherence to examine the reliability of the wavelet analyses. We will further adjust the emphasis made in the text on these analyses in accordance with the results of the revised calculations.
Response to technical corrections:
All technical corrections will be corrected accordingly.
Cited references:
Ben Dor, Y., Neugebauer, I., Enzel, Y., Schwab, M. J., Tjallingii, R., Erel, Y., and Brauer, A.: Varves of the Dead Sea sedimentary record, Quaternary Science Reviews, 215, 173-184, 2019.
Ben Dor, Y., Flax, T., Levitan, I., Enzel, Y., Brauer, A., and Erel, Y.: The paleohydrological implications of aragonite precipitation under contrasting climates in the endorheic Dead Sea and its precursors revealed by experimental investigations, Chemical Geology, 576, 10.1016/j.chemgeo.2021.120261, 2021.
Haase-Schramm, A., Goldstein, S. L., and Stein, M.: U-Th dating of Lake Lisan (late Pleistocene dead sea) aragonite and implications for glacial east Mediterranean climate change, Geochim. Cosmochim. Acta, 68, 985-1005, http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.gca.2003.07.016, 2004.
Marco, S., Stein, M., Agnon, A., and Ron, H.: Long‐term earthquake clustering: A 50,000‐year paleoseismic record in the Dead Sea Graben, Journal of Geophysical Research: Solid Earth, 101, 6179-6191, 1996.
Prasad, S., Negendank, J., and Stein, M.: Varve counting reveals high resolution radiocarbon reservoir age variations in palaeolake Lisan, Journal of Quaternary Science: Published for the Quaternary Research Association, 24, 690-696, 2009.
Prasad, S., Vos, H., Negendank, J., Waldmann, N., Goldstein, S. L., and Stein, M.: Evidence from Lake Lisan of solar influence on decadal-to centennial-scale climate variability during marine oxygen isotope stage 2, Geology, 32, 581-584, 2004.
Stein, M., Starinsky, A., Katz, A., Goldstein, S. L., Machlus, M., and Schramm, A.: Strontium isotopic, chemical, and sedimentological evidence for the evolution of Lake Lisan and the Dead Sea, Geochim. Cosmochim. Acta, 61, 3975-3992, 1997.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/cp-2020-161-AC2
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AC2: 'Reply on RC1', Yoav Ben Dor, 24 Jun 2021
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RC2: 'Review of the Manuscript entitled “Hydroclimatic variability of opposing late Pleistocene climates in the Levant revealed by Dead Sea sediments” by Yoav Ben Dor and co-authors.', Anonymous Referee #2, 16 Feb 2021
General Comments
The preprint by Ben Dor et al. presents relevant scientific questions which are within the scope of Climate of the Past. The abstract gives a good summary of the work, which is well written, and has a good structure. The authors present a novel data set of microfacies analysis in two distinct time intervals of the Dead Sea geological history. The time frames were chosen to encompass periods of lake level rise (approx. 18kaBP) and lake level fall (approx. 27 kaBP), which have been proved to react climate sensitively by several previous workers in the region. The microfacies analyzed therein are mm to sub-mm laminae couplets composed of aragonite and detrital sub-layers, and the latter may show several sub-divisions of detrital pulses. In each of the selected time frames, an interval with 700 laminae couplets was counted. The indexes obtained in such a microfacies analyses were the thickness of the individual sub-layers (aragonite and detrital), and hence also implicitly a ‘total’ thickness, and the number of detrital pulses in one sub-layer. This generates two time-series which potentially hold climate information of distinct synoptic trends, a deglacial situation, and a Heinrich event.
One aspect of this work is that a heavy load of statistical analysis hides a bit the premises of the geological interpretation. I think the work would benefit from clarifying the knowledge vs. assumptions about the formation of the laminae couplets, and based on that, a fair discussion about what are the inherent limitations of the analysis. The thickness of the aragonite laminae are taken to represent the annual inflow, and the detrital pulses the flood frequency. While the identification of the flood frequency is straightforward, the controls on aragonite precipitation in the Dead Sea are still debated. Also, in face of recent findings and discussion about the nature of the laminations in the Dead Sea sediment record; I would recommend tackling the following issues:
(i) in brief: why can these laminae couplets be used as annual record. At the same time, it's worth reflecting whether an annual character of the time-series is needed a priori for the proposed discussion, or if it can result from it.
(ii) clear statements on the bicarbonate and alkalinity sources to the Dead Sea, that ultimately contribute to aragonite precipitation. Even under the simplest assumption that these are only hydrological in nature, aren’t the floods themselves also a source of bicarbonate? Thus, how can the proxies be ‘independent’ as proposed in L110-115; L440-449?
(iii) Moreover, it was recently shown that calcite dust is an important bicarbonate source in the region, and excerpts control on aragonite precipitation in the Dead Sea. This of course adds complexity to the issue, given the logical implication would be that the thickness of the aragonite laminae is not exclusively under hydrological control.
Thus, my concern is that by targeting a hydroclimate interpretation per premise, the work may lose some important information on the way. I think this detailed dataset can make a very relevant contribution to the Levant Paleoclimate already by searching for answers to the superordinate question about the climate-type-signal contained in the laminae couplets. It would be nice to have at least clear statements about the pointed-out topics (i-iii).
Specific Comments
L17-18: “aragonite … serve as a proxy of annual inflow (…), whereas detrital laminae (…) record floods”: How can floods and the annual inflow be differentiated by the proxies given that the first also contribute to the ionic sources of aragonite precipitation? Also, what is the mineral composition of the detrital sub-layers, do they contain carbonates? Eventually treat the time-series as sub-sets, or inter-dependent?
L14&54: briefly explain why these laminations can be regarded as having annual character. Or is this perhaps something to be explored, in face of recent discussions? One possibility would be treating the time-series as a floating chronology, and search for pattern-types that might support the annual character. Arguments supporting that arise for example from statements such as on L398-399 and L364 (however indepedent records), about the encountered periodicities.
L80-90: This paragraph tries to connect the different microfacies with the different synoptic climate features. However, a distinct causality between aragonite/detrital sub-layers, and the Mediterranean cyclones/Red Sea troughs/subtropical jet streams, remains unclear. This is rather a subject for the discussion.
L110 -115: while the hydroclimate variables might be independent; the proxies obtained herein have some degree of dependency (aragonite sub-lamina thickness, and number of detrital pulses). Aren’t the floods also sources of (bi)carbonate ions, and thus won’t they contribute to the aragonite thickness? And this is regardless of the timing of aragonite precipitation. I think this is one of the aspects that needs some more reflection within the discussion below.
L440-449: This part of the discussion would benefit from additional reflection/explanations.
L445: What properties? What frequency? Is the frequency relatable to the encountered flood frequency? Here it remains unclear why Red Sea troughs and active subtropical jet stream disturbances contribute to the flood frequency, but not to the annual inflow. While this might be true from a hydroclimate perspective, how does it translate to the sedimentary system?
Technical Comments
Figure1: This Figure has a lot of information in it, a good amount of which can only hardly be recognized. Ideally 1A and 1C would make a good combination; and then 1B, D and the microfacies in a separate Figure.
L37: “available data”, do you mean historical series?
L49: “mild and wet”; “dry and hot”; replace/complete with defined meteorological information
L50: What properties? Re-phrase.
L60: “The segments were continuously sampled(…)”; segment length? Thin section length? Overlap? Some more details would be nice here. Place in L135
L61: “high-resolution microfacies”: aren’t the latter high-resolution per definition?
L77: “ (…) or gypsum are (…)” sentence is incomplete
L80: specify what is meant with the “climatic gradient”
L81: are perhaps “sediment transport-paths” meant?
L82: a call to Figure 1c would be helpful here
L92: it would be helpful to have the timing of Lisan/Dead Sea evolution stated here
L97&100: consider replacing “exposures” by “outcrops” here (if natural).
L109: “ (…) may form both (…)”: do you mean “ (…) may be triggered by both (…)” ?
L135: “continuous thin sections” ? or “thin sections were sampled continuously” ? some more details would be nice here. See also L60.
L137: The details and text in Figure S1 are not intelligible.
L140: the call to Figure 2 at this point is confusing, because therein results are given. Better to call the microfacies panels within Figure1.
L157: what is Appendix B? There are Supplement 1, 2, and over 30 Figures…
L159-160: echo to ‘visual inspection’
L164-178: the amount of supplement figures called in one paragraph (10) and their order (not chronological), are not helpful, but rather distracting to the reader.
L221-226: seems somehow incomplete. Would be nice to have a sentence on the differentiation between the ERDs and the detrital (sub-)laminae; and at least a brief microfacies characterization of the detrital (sub-)laminae. Mineral components?
L228: “2259 μm” Be consistent with the ‘thousand’ separator for the laminae thicknesses
Supplement materials: while I appreciate the detailed statistics and the effort of the authors to guide the readers step by step through it in the method section, I would suggest reducing the number of supplements from the given 34 pages, to what can be considered essential for the main message of the work.
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AC3: 'Reply on RC2', Yoav Ben Dor, 24 Jun 2021
Response to Report #2
By Anonymous Referee #2
Response to general comments:
We appreciate the reviewer’s positive impression of the quality of the manuscript and the novelty of the presented data. Our general outline for addressing the general comments is provided below:
Comment: (i) in brief: why can these laminae couplets be used as annual record. At the same time, it's worth reflecting whether an annual character of the time-series is needed a priori for the proposed discussion, or if it can result from it.
Response: The nature of the sediments and the way that we understand their formation, according to modern analogues and previous detailed investigations of available exposures, suggest that detritus-aragonite couplets are deposited annually, thus forming varves. This is further supported by our microfacies analyses based on continuously sampled thin sections, in which we observe even slight changes in the sediments in details. This is further supported by previous studies of the Dead Sea sedimentary record (e.g., Stein et al., 1997; Marco et al., 1996), the study of modern lakes by monitoring and recent cores, and the agreement between laminae counting and independent radiometric dating such as 14C and U-Th (Prasad et al., 2009; Haase-Schramm et al., 2004). Thus, because no deposition of alternating aragonite and detritus takes place under modern conditions in the Dead Sea (e.g., Ben Dor et al., 2021), the interpretation of alternating aragonite and detritus facies as annual deposits is, to some extent, a (pretty solid) assumption, as it cannot be directly determined for the studied interval Lake Lisan (e.g., Prasad et al., 2004; Ben Dor et al., 2019). We will make sure this is clear in the introduction of the revised version.
Comment: (ii) clear statements on the bicarbonate and alkalinity sources to the Dead Sea, that ultimately contribute to aragonite precipitation. Even under the simplest assumption that these are only hydrological in nature, aren’t the floods themselves also a source of bicarbonate? Thus, how can the proxies be ‘independent’ as proposed in L110-115; L440-449?
Response: The floods contribution to the overall hydrological (and alkalinity) balance of the Dead Sea (and likely to Lake Lisan) is negligible (Armon et al., 2019; Begin et al., 2004), which makes the proxies practically independent (see Ben Dor et al., 2021 for details). We will make sure these principles are explicitly described in the revised manuscript.
Comment: (iii) Moreover, it was recently shown that calcite dust is an important bicarbonate source in the region, and excerpts control on aragonite precipitation in the Dead Sea. This of course adds complexity to the issue, given the logical implication would be that the thickness of the aragonite laminae is not exclusively under hydrological control.
Response: We will directly address this aspect in the revised manuscript and we will also refer the readers to our recently accepted paper in Chemical Geology (Ben Dor et al., 2021), where this topic is discussed in detail. The potential contribution of dust directly settling on the lake is not sufficient to support the deposition of aragonite laminae (e.g., Ganor and Foner, 1996; Kalderon-Asael et al., 2009). However, the dissolution and remobilization of accumulated dust from the watershed is indeed a potentially substantial source for bicarbonate that could increase the alkalinity of inflow (e.g., Crouvi et al., 2017; Belmaker et al., 2019), which would consequently affect the relationship between Ca-carbonate deposition into inflow. Although this cannot be directly addressed for the studied time intervals, we considered recent studies of the snow-affected Mt. Hermon region in Israel (Avni et al., 2018) and denudation rates in the Judea region (Ryb et al., 2014), which altogether suggest that the dissolution of bedrock could not have increased alkalinity inflow by a factor greater than two. Thus, although these aspects limit the extent of conclusions that can be directly drawn from the data, we consider that the likely relationship between inflow and aragonite deposition is probably monotonous, and increased inflow would result in increased aragonite thickness and vice versa.
Response to specific comments:
Comment: L17-18: “aragonite … serve as a proxy of annual inflow (…), whereas detrital laminae (…) record floods”: How can floods and the annual inflow be differentiated by the proxies given that the first also contribute to the ionic sources of aragonite precipitation? Also, what is the mineral composition of the detrital sub-layers, do they contain carbonates? Eventually treat the time-series as sub-sets, or inter-dependent?
Response: We agree that this is not properly explained in the current manuscript. We will elaborate on carbonate sources and the carbonate budget of the lake and the composition of the detrital layers. Because the total contribution of carbonate from the floods that deliver detrital sediments to the core from the streams that directly face the coring site is negligible, we addressed the two series as independent, and then we examined their relationship. This is also supported by the relatively low Spearman rank correlation coefficient of flood frequency and aragonite thickness (Fig. 3; r = 0.52 and 0.61 for falling and rising lake levels, respectively). We note that our original expectation was to observe better correlation, which is not the case.
Comment: L14&54: briefly explain why these laminations can be regarded as having annual character. Or is this perhaps something to be explored, in face of recent discussions? One possibility would be treating the time-series as a floating chronology, and search for pattern-types that might support the annual character. Arguments supporting that arise for example from statements such as on L398-399 and L364 (however indepedent records), about the encountered periodicities.
Response: The interpretation of these sediments as varves is mostly based on the monitoring of modern lakes and previous investigations of available exposures, where laminae counting consistently matched radiometric dating (Ben Dor et al., 2019 and references therein). We will make sure this is made clearer in the revised version.
Comment: L80-90: This paragraph tries to connect the different microfacies with the different synoptic climate features. However, a distinct causality between aragonite/detrital sub-layers, and the Mediterranean cyclones/Red Sea troughs/subtropical jet streams, remains unclear. This is rather a subject for the discussion.
Response: We will revise this part and move it to the discussion.
Comment: L110 -115: while the hydroclimate variables might be independent; the proxies obtained herein have some degree of dependency (aragonite sub-lamina thickness, and number of detrital pulses). Aren’t the floods also sources of (bi)carbonate ions, and thus won’t they contribute to the aragonite thickness? And this is regardless of the timing of aragonite precipitation. I think this is one of the aspects that needs some more reflection within the discussion below.
Response: Yes, this raises a good question that will be addressed. As written above, we will elaborate on carbonate sources and why this notion is reasonable in that case.
Comment: L440-449: This part of the discussion would benefit from additional reflection/explanations.
Response: We will revise this section to make sure that it fits within the manuscript and additionally elaborate to make sure its logic is clear.
Comment: L445: What properties? What frequency? Is the frequency relatable to the encountered flood frequency? Here it remains unclear why Red Sea troughs and active subtropical jet stream disturbances contribute to the flood frequency, but not to the annual inflow. While this might be true from a hydroclimate perspective, how does it translate to the sedimentary system?
Response: We agree that this part of the discussion requires additional clarification. The general understanding of precipitation patterns induced by different synoptic systems in the Dead Sea watershed depicts a “de-coupling” of annual inflow into the lake, which depends on annual precipitation over the northern parts of the watershed, and floods reaching the coring site. This is because the frequency and intensity of eastern Mediterranean Lows determines annual precipitation over the watershed (Saaroni et al., 2010) and flood frequency in the relevant ephemeral streams (Goldreich et al., 2004), whereas the contribution of the other synoptic systems to annual precipitation by far, is far less substantial (Armon et al., 2019). This is also evident by the low correlation (r2 = 0.086) of major floods (return period >5 years) in the Negev Desert (Kahana et al., 2002) and precipitation in Jerusalem (Fig. R1), which found to be closely correlated with Dead Sea lake level, and hence with annual inflow into the lake (Enzel et al., 2003). Thus, although this cannot be directly proven for the LGM, we consider these modern observations as means to decipher the sedimentary record (e.g., Enzel et al., 2008; Goldsmith et al., 2017). We will clarify that in the revised manuscript to make sure the distinction between observations and interpretation is clear.
Figure R1 – Frequency of major floods in the Negev Desert (Kahana et al., 2002) and annual precipitation in Jerusalem. The low correlation indicates the decoupling of annual inflow into the lake and flood frequency, demonstrating the importance of different synoptic systems and their characteristics on these two hydrological properties.Response to technical corrections:
All technical corrections will be corrected accordingly.
Cited references:
Armon, M., Morin, E., Enzel, Y., 2019. Overview of modern atmospheric patterns controlling rainfall and floods into the Dead Sea: Implications for the lake's sedimentology and paleohydrology. Quaternary Science Reviews 216, 58-73.
Avni, S., Joseph-Hai, N., Haviv, I., Matmon, A., Benedetti, L., Team, A., 2018. Patterns and rates of 103–105 yr denudation in carbonate terrains under subhumid to subalpine climatic gradient, Mount Hermon, Israel. Bulletin 131, 899-912.
Begin, Z. B., Stein, M., Katz, A., Machlus, M., Rosenfeld, A., Buchbinder, B., and Bartov, Y.: Southward migration of rain tracks during the last glacial, revealed by salinity gradient in Lake Lisan (Dead Sea rift), Quaternary Science Reviews, 23, 1627-1636, 10.1016/j.quascirev.2004.01.002, 2004.
Belmaker, R., Lazar, B., Stein, M., Taha, N., and Bookman, R.: Constraints on aragonite precipitation in the Dead Sea from geochemical measurements of flood plumes, Quaternary Science Reviews, 221, 105876, 2019.
Ben Dor, Y., Neugebauer, I., Enzel, Y., Schwab, M. J., Tjallingii, R., Erel, Y., and Brauer, A.: Varves of the Dead Sea sedimentary record, Quaternary Science Reviews, 215, 173-184, 2019.
Ben Dor, Y., Flax, T., Levitan, I., Enzel, Y., Brauer, A., and Erel, Y.: The paleohydrological implications of aragonite precipitation under contrasting climates in the endorheic Dead Sea and its precursors revealed by experimental investigations, Chemical Geology, 576, 10.1016/j.chemgeo.2021.120261, 2021.Goldreich, Y., Mozes, H., Rosenfeld, D., 2004. Radar analysis of cloud systems and their rainfall yield in Israel. Isr. J. Earth Sci 53, 63-76.
Crouvi, O., Amit, R., Ben Israel, M., and Enzel, Y.: Loess in the Negev desert: sources, loessial soils, palaeosols, and palaeoclimatic implications, in: Quaternary of the Levant: Environments, Climate Change, and Humans. Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, edited by: Enzel, Y., and Bar-Yosef, O., 471-482, 2017.
Enzel, Y., Bookman, R., Sharon, D., Gvirtzman, H., Dayan, U., Ziv, B., and Stein, M.: Late Holocene climates of the Near East deduced from Dead Sea level variations and modern regional winter rainfall, Quaternary Research, 60, 263-273, 2003.
Enzel, Y., Amit, R., Dayan, U., Crouvi, O., Kahana, R., Ziv, B., and Sharon, D.: The climatic and physiographic controls of the eastern Mediterranean over the late Pleistocene climates in the southern Levant and its neighboring deserts, Global and Planetary Change, 60, 165-192, 2008.
Ganor, E. and Foner, H.: The mineralogical and chemical properties and the behaviour of aeolian Saharan dust over Israel, in: The impact of desert dust across the Mediterranean, Springer, 163-172, 1996.
Goldsmith, Y., Polissar, P., Ayalon, A., Bar-Matthews, M., and Broecker, W.: The modern and Last Glacial Maximum hydrological cycles of the Eastern Mediterranean and the Levant from a water isotope perspective, Earth Planet. Sci. Lett., 457, 302-312, 2017.
Haase-Schramm, A., Goldstein, S. L., and Stein, M.: U-Th dating of Lake Lisan (late Pleistocene dead sea) aragonite and implications for glacial east Mediterranean climate change, Geochim. Cosmochim. Acta, 68, 985-1005, http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.gca.2003.07.016, 2004.
Kahana, R., Ziv, B., Enzel, Y., and Dayan, U.: Synoptic climatology of major floods in the Negev Desert, Israel, International Journal of Climatology, 22, 867-882, 2002.
Kalderon-Asael, B., Erel, Y., Sandler, A., and Dayan, U.: Mineralogical and chemical characterization of suspended atmospheric particles over the east Mediterranean based on synoptic-scale circulation patterns, Atmospheric Environment, 43, 3963-3970, 2009.
Kalderon-Asael, B., Erel, Y., Sandler, A., and Dayan, U.: Mineralogical and chemical characterization of suspended atmospheric particles over the east Mediterranean based on synoptic-scale circulation patterns, Atmospheric Environment, 43, 3963-3970, 2009.
Marco, S., Stein, M., Agnon, A., and Ron, H.: Long‐term earthquake clustering: A 50,000‐year paleoseismic record in the Dead Sea Graben, Journal of Geophysical Research: Solid Earth, 101, 6179-6191, 1996.
Marco, S., Stein, M., Agnon, A., and Ron, H.: Long‐term earthquake clustering: A 50,000‐year paleoseismic record in the Dead Sea Graben, Journal of Geophysical Research: Solid Earth, 101, 6179-6191, 1996.
Prasad, S., Negendank, J., and Stein, M.: Varve counting reveals high resolution radiocarbon reservoir age variations in palaeolake Lisan, Journal of Quaternary Science: Published for the Quaternary Research Association, 24, 690-696, 2009.
Prasad, S., Vos, H., Negendank, J., Waldmann, N., Goldstein, S. L., and Stein, M.: Evidence from Lake Lisan of solar influence on decadal-to centennial-scale climate variability during marine oxygen isotope stage 2, Geology, 32, 581-584, 2004.
Ryb, U., Matmon, A., Erel, Y., Haviv, I., Benedetti, L., Hidy, A., 2014. Styles and rates of long-term denudation in carbonate terrains under a Mediterranean to hyper-arid climatic gradient. Earth Planet. Sci. Lett. 406, 142-152.
Saaroni, H., Halfon, N., Ziv, B., Alpert, P., Kutiel, H., 2010. Links between the rainfall regime in Israel and location and intensity of Cyprus lows. International Journal of Climatology 30, 1014-1025.
Stein, M., Starinsky, A., Katz, A., Goldstein, S. L., Machlus, M., and Schramm, A.: Strontium isotopic, chemical, and sedimentological evidence for the evolution of Lake Lisan and the Dead Sea, Geochim. Cosmochim. Acta, 61, 3975-3992, 1997.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/cp-2020-161-AC3
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AC3: 'Reply on RC2', Yoav Ben Dor, 24 Jun 2021
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RC3: 'Review of Ben Dor et al. - Methodological aspects', Reik Donner, 13 Apr 2021
The authors present an analysis of annually resolved proxies of hydroclimate variability in the Levant based on sediments from the Dead Sea area. Specifically, they focus in their analysis on two about 700-year long time windows from the late Pleistocene exhibiting opposing hydroclimate trends. This specific focus on nonstationary parts of the records requires a careful choice of time series analysis methods to be employed for analyzing the corresponding variability at interannual to multidecadal time scales. The authors particularly chose a combination of singular spectrum analysis, recurrence analysis and wavelet analysis, all of which provide advanced statistical tools that appear generally suitable for the designated purposes. While focusing on three complementary proxies with regular annual resolution (thicknesses of arangonite and detrital layers and number of detrital sublaminae per year), the authors avoid possible problems with non-uniformly sampled data, which would otherwise require a particular treatment along with the chosen methods.
Since my own expertise concerns primarily the methodological aspects of the presented work, I will particularly focus in my comments on the questions that arise from this perspective. Other minor comments of more technical nature will be provided at the end of this assessment.
General comment: The referencing to the supplementary material is not self-consistent across the manuscript. Please refer to all material in the supplement as “Supplement Section A/B” instead of “Appendix A/B” and also provide a consistent numbering of the supplementary figures (e.g., Fig. A1, Fig. B2, etc., instead of Fig. S1 and Fig. S2-1, which is a bit confusing in the beginning). The same strategy would also simplify the enumeration of equations in the current supplementary material section 2.
Major comments:
1. The presentation of the employed time series analysis methods (recurrence analysis, wavelet analysis, singular spectrum analyses) is very short and hardly assessable to non-specialists, which will form the vast majority of the readership of Climate of the Past. I think that a more detailed introduction (possibly as part of the supplement) would be justified.
2. It is pretty unlikely that paleoclimate variability in the study area has undergone (exactly) periodic oscillations at interannual to multidecadal scales. Therefore, I do not agree with using the term “periodic components” (e.g., in l.65), yet would expect something like “narrow-banded oscillations” or similar. What can actually be characterized in the presented study is the relevance of certain “spectral bands” (interannual, decadal, multi-decadal) and how their respective spectral power may differ among the two study periods. I will further comment on this point below when addressing the performed wavelet analyses and the interpretation of the corresponding results.
3. According to ll.146-147, missing values have been imputed by the median – of the whole time series (segment)? It needs to be noted that this strategy may have quite different effects on the different time series analysis methods used in this work. For SSA, it might actually be better to just ignore missing values. What is more, missing value imputation based on the results of the singular value decomposition of the lagged trajectory matrix (e.g. Kondrashov & Ghill, Nonlin. Proc. Geophys., 2006) would allow for a more reasonable (e.g., consistent with the records’ power spectra) gap filling and, hence, likely more reliable results of the other analysis methods.
4. I appreciate that the authors use nonparametric statistical tests for the homogeneity of distributional (location and variability, respectively) properties of their three proxies between the two study periods (e.g., using the MWW test instead of classical parametric ANOVA). However, when reporting the corresponding results (Tab. 2), what is presented turns awkward. Notably, according to its contents Tab. 2 apparently relates the results of MWW and AB tests to either the fall (MWW) or the rise (AB) period (which would be meaningless), while both tests actually compare both periods. I suppose the authors accidentally copied the first column of the Table from Tab. 1, yet it must be removed from Tab. 2 to make any sense. In Figs. S2 and S3, I don’t quite get the statistical reasoning beyond multiplying the p-values of both tests (which are not independent of each other); this should be better motivated.
5. For detecting regime shifts within the study period, the authors use running MWW and AB tests for 51-year sliding windows in time. Here, I am wondering about several things: (i) What are the two samples which are compared by the two tests? The 25-year sub-periods before and after the reference point? I don’t find this clearly explained in the text. (ii) What is the reliability (power) of MWW/AB tests for such small samples of 51 (25?) values only? (iii) Sliding windows mean that the samples considered in subsequent tests largely overlap, potentially causing multiple testing problems when assessing the significance of pointwise MWW or AB tests. The same applies to performing the same tests for different window sizes. I don’t see this aspect being addressed, so it would be good if the authors could comment on this and why they might think it could be ignored in the context of the present work (which I personally believe could, but has to be justified). In any case, it can be expected that results for neighboring windows and different window widths will mutually depend on each other. (iv) For assessing statistical significance, the authors use resampling of the full time series. If I understand correctly, this is being done by permuting individual values. However, this procedure does not only destroy any differences between sub-periods, but also any serial dependencies of proxy values within such periods, thereby making the obtained confidence bounds over-confident (i.e., potentially too narrow). Figure S4 indicates the absence of such serial dependencies (to a great extent) and thereby could justify the employed procedure (i.e., not using block bootstrapping instead of point-wise resampling), but this should be mentioned explicitly in the text.
6. Still in Section 3.2, the authors describe their rationale for using recurrence analysis, which is probably rather unfamiliar to the vast part of the readership of Climate of the Past. Yet, also the authors appear not to be specialists in employing this technique, which is suggested by a couple of observations. (i) The authors claim that they have also performed cross-recurrence analyses (l.176) but do not report any such results (which might also not be very useful since they would compare two proxies with different meanings, physical units, etc.). (ii) Recurrence analysis can indeed be used to infer short-term periodic and quasi-periodic dynamics (in the proper meaning of both terms), as claimed in l.177, but neither of the corresponding approaches is used in this manuscript (e.g., studying the properties of the tau-recurrence rate a.k.a. generalized auto-correlation function; cf. Zou et al., Phys. Rev. E, 2007). (iii) Comparing the use of recurrence analysis with that of harmonic and wavelet functions (l. 182) and their respective “robustness” is somewhat odd since those methods serve completely different purposes. (iv) A vast body of recent work has detailed the problems of using a fixed recurrence threshold and taking the recurrence rate RR as a parameter, as other quantitative characteristics of recurrence plots intimately depend on the value of RR. Fixing the threshold at a multiple of the standard deviation of the data only partially solves the problem, since the distribution of distances between state vectors (values) evaluated is commonly non-Gaussian and may crucially differ between different settings studied. Most notably, the values of epsilon (sigma or even 1.5sigma) are far larger than those commonly recommended in the literature (e.g. Schinkel et al., Eur. Phys. J. Special Topics, 2008). The resulting RR values (Figs. 4 and 5) approach values between 0.1 up to even 1.0, which are far too large to allow for any meaningful interpretation of the transitivity values (Zou et al., Phys. Rep., 2017). This also explains why RR and transitivity show the same type of time dependence, while the transitivity should actually be independent of RR for a reasonable range of epsilon values. (v) Using time delay embedding and reporting/justifying the corresponding embedding parameters is key for interpreting the results of recurrence analyses and making them reproducible. This is poorly described in this manuscript, although all necessary results are found in the supplement. It is particularly interesting to observe that both proxies more or less instantaneously de-correlate (Fig. S4c,d), which is a behavior common for white noise. On the other hand, using embedding dimensions of 4 or 5 for 700 data points might already exceed what might be required for a reliable statistical inference of the key recurrence structures. Here, m=3 might be a more pragmatic choice. In general, using the same embedding parameters for all recurrence (and joint recurrence) plots would help making the obtained structures, as well as their quantitative characteristics, better comparable.
7. Regarding the wavelet analysis, I again appreciate that the authors provide the results of significance testing with an AR(1) red noise null model. However, what is crucial to remark is that they perform this test in a point-wise manner (which is unfortunately still the standard in the applied geosciences literature), thereby overemphasizing possible false positive results. Due to the serial dependence of point-wise values of the wavelet coefficients at neighboring times and scales, false positives can only be ruled out using areawise tests (Maraun & Kurths, Nonlin. Proc. Geophys., 2004; Maraun et al., Phys. Rev. E, 2007). I don’t argue here that it is necessary to employ such tests as part of the present study, but recommend to evaluate and interpret the results of point-wise tests with more caution. Quite a few of the high-frequency episodic significant patches in the wavelet spectrograms shown in this manuscript (e.g. Figs. 6 and 7) could potentially be associated with such false positives. (Referring to “non-persistent periodic[al] components of 2-6 years” in ll.371-372 appears more like wishful thinking than proper interpretation of the obtained results.) Along with my former comments on the use of the terms “periodic” and “quasi-periodic”, I recommend to focus on spectral power in different frequency bands instead of seeking for true periodicities which are unlikely to exist at the timescales of interest (due to an absence of obvious mechanisms except for maybe solar activity variations).
8. Singular spectrum analysis (SSA) appears to be primarily used here for detrending and “denoising” (i.e., reconstructing the underlying signal based on a few modes, which is probably related to what the authors refer to as “overfitting” in l.209 – this should be clarified for non-specialist readers). As already outlined above, I would recommend using this method also for gap filling and, hence, as a first analysis step. It might also be worth mentioning that SSA is more flexible than wavelet analysis (or at least classical spectral analysis based on Fourier transform or harmonic regression models) in that it allows for an arbitrary shape of possible oscillatory components along with time-dependent amplitudes (like in wavelet of classical EOF analysis/PCA), but not for time-dependent frequencies. The latter restriction might be alleviated by using other even more data-adaptive time scale decomposition techniques like empirical mode decomposition, which the authors decided not to consider in their present work (which is fine, since possible advantages of other methods also come along with additional caveats). Notably, the authors also use the multivariate extension of SSA, yet only show the corresponding results as plots in the supplement without further discussion and interpretation, so one may argue that this material might not be relevant. (If relevant, it should also be discussed in the text.) In a similar spirit, it is notable that Figs. S6 and S7 are currently not (respectively, wrongly) referenced in the text, but should be referred to in l.212.
9. A bit worrying is the application of cross-wavelet analysis, which is not well described in the manuscript (ll.212-214). My understanding is that the authors first use SSA for detrending and denoising the time series under study and then estimate the cross-wavelet spectrograms for pairs of time series. It is notable that this type of analysis is commonly not recommended, since it can provide large spectral power even if only one of the two signals actually exhibits a “periodic” component. For the purpose of seeking for joint oscillatory components, the normalized wavelet coherency should be the method of choice instead (Maraun & Kurths, Nonlin. Proc. Geophys., 2004).
10. Section 4.3, 2nd paragraph: It should be clarified that substantial spectral power in the low-frequency part is a common feature of climate time series. Hence, the fact that the wavelet spectrogram does not indicate statistical significance in this range of frequencies indicates that any low-frequency (inter-decadal) oscillations embedded in the signals do not follow a strictly periodic pattern. Note that at the mentioned time scales, the cone of influence becomes so narrow here that the number of oscillations may not be sufficient to identify properly any periodic structure.
Minor comments:
11. The second paragraph of the introduction briefly discusses key drivers of hydroclimate variability in the Levant. In this regard, I am somewhat missing any brief statements on possible teleconnections from the Indian Ocean. In modern times, there exist anomalous circulation patterns linking the Arabian Sea branch of the Indian summer monsoon with the climate of the Eastern Mediterranean region. The active Red Sea troughs (ARST) are a manifestation of associated episodic events providing heavy precipitation to the study area, as also mentioned by the authors in the last paragraph of Section 5.3. It might be interesting to explore, or at least speculate about a possible link between elevated flood frequency and Indian monsoon failures as documented in historical heavy precipitation events of the recent past. More specifically, I am wondering if there is a way to (indirectly) link the inferred flood frequency to late Pleistocene Indian monsoon variability. Or can we expect the corresponding teleconnection not to play an important role during that period (e.g., due to a suppressed monsoon-desert mechanism)?
12. L.386: I don’t quite get what an “NAO-like periodic component” should be, since the NAO does not have any clear periodicity. In a similar spirit, ll.467-468 claim “quasi-periodic ~3-4 years components, possibly related to the North Atlantic Oscillation”, which I am not aware of to exist.
13. L.409: Please check if the reduced recurrence rate is not just due to an increased variance within the considered time window.
Technical comments:
- L.11: “relying”
- Ll.12,14: the information that two ~700 year long segments are analyzed is duplicate
- Ll.13,15: the unit “Ka” should rather read “ka”, but also later in Section 3.1
- Ll.22-23: “quasi-periodic” has a distinctive meaning in mathematics/physics which differs from what the authors attempt to express here; I suggest replacing this term by “oscillatory”
- Ll.28-29: “freshwater… stems from the interaction of… conditions” is in my opinion an awkward wording in a twofold way. Freshwater is provided by precipitation and hydrology, both of which refer to specific physical processes in the Earth system. Conditions cannot interact with each other; instead, processes can interact.
- L.30: “variability at seasonal,…”
- L.33: I think “configure” means something different than is attempted to be expressed here
- L.36: “transitional states” – do you mean “transitions between states” (my guess) or “states exhibiting frequent transitions” (where “state” would then be meant in a more colloquial way
- L.37: I suggest removing “discrete and” to avoid possible confusion
- L.38: “are harder to determine”
- L.39: “capture the full diversity of possible hydroclimatoc states”
- L.62: “opposing mean climates” does not seem to be the correct wording here, since the authors argue themselves to focus on two “transitional periods” (with opposing hydroclimatic trends; wetting/drying) rather than two “equilibrium periods” (wet/dry)
- L.65: “the periodicity of known global teleconnection patterns”
- L.77: “that are deposited”
- L.146: “where laminae are trimmed”
- L.188: “describes”
- L.205: “principal component”
- Ll.210-211: “the effect of the number of eigenvalues”? (or, rather, the number of “relevant” eigenvalues?)
- L.212: “The SSA RCs (Fig. S6 and S7)…”
- L.217: “Figs. S8-S11”
- Ll.235-236: If the underlying variables have physical units, the skewness values should have, too (consistent with Tab. 1).
- L.237: “substantially significant” is a very imprecise term, rather write “significant” here only.
- Tab. 3: Is it possible to provide actual dates (maybe along with uncertainty) of the identified periods (e.g. in years BP/B2k or others…) instead of “index years”?
- L.293: this should already be section 4.3, use “periodic” instead of “periodical” (also later)
- L.303: “do not pass the significance test”
- Fig. 6 and also several other figure captions: use the symbol \alpha for the confidence level
- L.353: “the Mediterranean”
- L.354: “coupling of observed increased thickness”
- L.367: “distinctively… implications for environmental…”
- L.379: “North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO) and the East Atlantic (EA) pattern are commonly…”
- L.432: “during the winter months”
- L.443: “by two other synoptic”
- Section 7 should be removed, Sections 8-10 not be numbered
- Fig. S2-2, caption: clarify that cumulative distributions are shown
- Fig. S2-3, caption: clarify that rank distributions are shown
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/cp-2020-161-RC3 -
AC4: 'Reply on RC3', Yoav Ben Dor, 24 Jun 2021
Response to Report #3
By Reik Donner
Response to general comments:
We appreciate Prof. Donner’s comments and very detailed suggestions, as we highly appreciate his proven experience and rich publication background with time series analyses in geoscience. We are therefore grateful for the opportunity to improve the manuscript according to his comments and ideas. We will adjust, remove and recalculate any necessary analyses to make sure they comply with his suggestions.
Additionally, we agree with the notion that the current supplementary is too long, as was pointed out by the other reviewers, and that some parts of it are indeed redundant. We will revise and reduce it, and also make sure that its referencing is clear and consistent throughout the manuscript.
Response to major comments:
Comment 1: The presentation of the employed time series analysis methods (recurrence analysis, wavelet analysis, singular spectrum analyses) is very short and hardly assessable to non-specialists, which will form the vast majority of the readership of Climate of the Past. I think that a more detailed introduction (possibly as part of the supplement) would be justified.
Response 1: We will improve and expand the presentation of the methods where necessary in accordance with the journal’s formatting policy.
Comment 2: It is pretty unlikely that paleoclimate variability in the study area has undergone (exactly) periodic oscillations at interannual to multidecadal scales. Therefore, I do not agree with using the term “periodic components” (e.g., in l.65), yet would expect something like “narrow-banded oscillations” or similar. What can actually be characterized in the presented study is the relevance of certain “spectral bands” (interannual, decadal, multi-decadal) and how their respective spectral power may differ among the two study periods. I will further comment on this point below when addressing the performed wavelet analyses and the interpretation of the corresponding results.
Response 2: We agree with that comment. We will rephrase that accordingly and replace the current terminology with the one hereby proposed by Prof. Donner.
Comment 3: According to ll.146-147, missing values have been imputed by the median – of the whole time series (segment)? It needs to be noted that this strategy may have quite different effects on the different time series analysis methods used in this work. For SSA, it might actually be better to just ignore missing values. What is more, missing value imputation based on the results of the singular value decomposition of the lagged trajectory matrix (e.g. Kondrashov & Ghill, Nonlin. Proc. Geophys., 2006) would allow for a more reasonable (e.g., consistent with the records’ power spectra) gap filling and, hence, likely more reliable results of the other analysis methods.
Response 3: We appreciate this very useful suggestion, and we will impute the missing values accordingly.
Comment 4: I appreciate that the authors use nonparametric statistical tests for the homogeneity of distributional (location and variability, respectively) properties of their three proxies between the two study periods (e.g., using the MWW test instead of classical parametric ANOVA). However, when reporting the corresponding results (Tab. 2), what is presented turns awkward. Notably, according to its contents Tab. 2 apparently relates the results of MWW and AB tests to either the fall (MWW) or the rise (AB) period (which would be meaningless), while both tests actually compare both periods. I suppose the authors accidentally copied the first column of the Table from Tab. 1, yet it must be removed from Tab. 2 to make any sense. In Figs. S2 and S3, I don’t quite get the statistical reasoning beyond multiplying the p-values of both tests (which are not independent of each other); this should be better motivated.
Response 4: Thank you! Yes, this is indeed an unfortunate mistake and column 1 should be removed. The table compares the properties of the two periods. The general idea of multiplying the p-values was to try and emphasize places in which the two values drop substantially together. However, we agree that it has no clear statistical reasoning and we will also remove that figure from the supplementary.
Comment 5: For detecting regime shifts within the study period, the authors use running MWW and AB tests for 51-year sliding windows in time. Here, I am wondering about several things:
- What are the two samples which are compared by the two tests? The 25-year sub-periods before and after the reference point? I don’t find this clearly explained in the text.
- What is the reliability (power) of MWW/AB tests for such small samples of 51 (25?) values only?
- Sliding windows mean that the samples considered in subsequent tests largely overlap, potentially causing multiple testing problems when assessing the significance of pointwise MWW or AB tests. The same applies to performing the same tests for different window sizes. I don’t see this aspect being addressed, so it would be good if the authors could comment on this and why they might think it could be ignored in the context of the present work (which I personally believe could, but has to be justified). In any case, it can be expected that results for neighboring windows and different window widths will mutually depend on each other.
- For assessing statistical significance, the authors use resampling of the full time series. If I understand correctly, this is being done by permuting individual values. However, this procedure does not only destroy any differences between sub-periods, but also any serial dependencies of proxy values within such periods, thereby making the obtained confidence bounds over-confident (i.e., potentially too narrow). Figure S4 indicates the absence of such serial dependencies (to a great extent) and thereby could justify the employed procedure (i.e., not using block bootstrapping instead of point-wise resampling), but this should be mentioned explicitly in the text.
Response 5:
- Yes, we will clearly state that in the revised manuscript.
- We chose a window size of 51 years after trying several window sizes, and examining their performance. On one hand, we wanted to avoid over-detection of “noise” by choosing a too narrow window, and on the other hand we wanted to avoid looking into too long time intervals, which would depreciate the implications of the analyses. Because each series spans ~700 years, we consider the semi-centennial timescale as a reasonable window length that serves as a compromise between the two abovementioned aspects. We did not conduct a test to determine the power of this approach, because we think this is not strictly necessary for the discussion and is beyond the scope of this paper. In our view, this analysis is only carried out as a complementary method to refine the results of cluster detection based on the Monte-Carlo approach elaborated later in the manuscript (currently SM2).
- This is again a very good comment. Because we don’t rely solely on this approach and consider it together with the other approaches elaborated troughout the manuscript, we did not account for the multiple-tests issue related to the overlap. However, because the p-values of the sliding windows are likely to be dependent, we do not consider the p-values of the tests themselves (e.g., vs. a specific alpha level etc.), but instead we look at the patterns they form along the series, and more specifically whether substantial minima can be identified, which signify substantial differences between the two halves of the window. This is why we think this issue can be ignored in this context, and we can assume that this is what Prof. Donner is referring to.
- This will be explicitly mentioned in the revised manuscript.
Comment 6: Still in Section 3.2, the authors describe their rationale for using recurrence analysis, which is probably rather unfamiliar to the vast part of the readership of Climate of the Past. Yet, also the authors appear not to be specialists in employing this technique, which is suggested by a couple of observations.
- The authors claim that they have also performed cross-recurrence analyses (l.176) but do not report any such results (which might also not be very useful since they would compare two proxies with different meanings, physical units, etc.).
- Recurrence analysis can indeed be used to infer short-term periodic and quasi-periodic dynamics (in the proper meaning of both terms), as claimed in l.177, but neither of the corresponding approaches is used in this manuscript (e.g., studying the properties of the tau-recurrence rate a.k.a. generalized auto-correlation function; cf. Zou et al., Phys. Rev. E, 2007).
- Comparing the use of recurrence analysis with that of harmonic and wavelet functions (l. 182) and their respective “robustness” is somewhat odd since those methods serve completely different purposes.
- A vast body of recent work has detailed the problems of using a fixed recurrence threshold and taking the recurrence rate RR as a parameter, as other quantitative characteristics of recurrence plots intimately depend on the value of RR. Fixing the threshold at a multiple of the standard deviation of the data only partially solves the problem, since the distribution of distances between state vectors (values) evaluated is commonly non-Gaussian and may crucially differ between different settings studied. Most notably, the values of epsilon (sigma or even 1.5sigma) are far larger than those commonly recommended in the literature (e.g. Schinkel et al., Eur. Phys. J. Special Topics, 2008). The resulting RR values (Figs. 4 and 5) approach values between 0.1 up to even 1.0, which are far too large to allow for any meaningful interpretation of the transitivity values (Zou et al., Phys. Rep., 2017). This also explains why RR and transitivity show the same type of time dependence, while the transitivity should actually be independent of RR for a reasonable range of epsilon values.
- Using time delay embedding and reporting/justifying the corresponding embedding parameters is key for interpreting the results of recurrence analyses and making them reproducible. This is poorly described in this manuscript, although all necessary results are found in the supplement. It is particularly interesting to observe that both proxies more or less instantaneously de-correlate (Fig. S4c,d), which is a behavior common for white noise. On the other hand, using embedding dimensions of 4 or 5 for 700 data points might already exceed what might be required for a reliable statistical inference of the key recurrence structures. Here, m=3 might be a more pragmatic choice. In general, using the same embedding parameters for all recurrence (and joint recurrence) plots would help making the obtained structures, as well as their quantitative characteristics, better comparable.
Response 6:
- We acknowledge the fact that we are not experts in employing recurrence analyses. However, we have done our best efforts to apply these methods based on the available literature and the software package distributed by PIK (Marwan et al., 2007). The mentioning of cross-recurrence is indeed redundant, as in the final manuscript we eventually report the results of recurrence and joint-recurrence, rather than the cross-recurrence, and will be corrected accordingly.
- We appreciate this comment as well. We will perform the abovementioned analyses and contact Prof. Donner in case we need additional specific guiding on the proper way of applying them. We will make sure that the methodological aspects related to these methods are resolved, and we are willing to consider removing them from the manuscript in case Prof. Donner finds it necessary.
- This will be rephrased and clarified.
- Again, we appreciate this comment. We have indeed tried multiple approaches and values for the epsilon parameter before the selection of these parameters that we found suitable. Because of our appreciation of Prof. Donner’s background with these methods, we will revise the calculations based on his (and the references) suggestions and contact him if necessary, to make sure that the analyses are carried out properly.
- The calculations will be modified in accordance with his suggestions, and this will be elaborated in the revised manuscript. We note that this information is clearly available in the current supplementary material.
Comment 7: Regarding the wavelet analysis, I again appreciate that the authors provide the results of significance testing with an AR(1) red noise null model. However, what is crucial to remark is that they perform this test in a point-wise manner (which is unfortunately still the standard in the applied geosciences literature), thereby overemphasizing possible false positive results. Due to the serial dependence of point-wise values of the wavelet coefficients at neighboring times and scales, false positives can only be ruled out using areawise tests (Maraun & Kurths, Nonlin. Proc. Geophys., 2004; Maraun et al., Phys. Rev. E, 2007). I don’t argue here that it is necessary to employ such tests as part of the present study, but recommend to evaluate and interpret the results of point-wise tests with more caution. Quite a few of the high-frequency episodic significant patches in the wavelet spectrograms shown in this manuscript (e.g. Figs. 6 and 7) could potentially be associated with such false positives. (Referring to “non-persistent periodic[al] components of 2-6 years” in ll.371-372 appears more like wishful thinking than proper interpretation of the obtained results.) Along with my former comments on the use of the terms “periodic” and “quasi-periodic”, I recommend to focus on spectral power in different frequency bands instead of seeking for true periodicities which are unlikely to exist at the timescales of interest (due to an absence of obvious mechanisms except for maybe solar activity variations).
Response 7: We will recalculate the wavelet analyses using an area-wise false-positive test to make sure that the results can be accordingly analyzed. We also agree with the notion that these results should be interpreted cautiously and that the overall discussion should follow the identification of “different frequency bands instead of seeking for true periodicities”.
Comment 8: Singular spectrum analysis (SSA) appears to be primarily used here for detrending and “denoising” (i.e., reconstructing the underlying signal based on a few modes, which is probably related to what the authors refer to as “overfitting” in l.209 – this should be clarified for non-specialist readers). As already outlined above, I would recommend using this method also for gap filling and, hence, as a first analysis step. It might also be worth mentioning that SSA is more flexible than wavelet analysis (or at least classical spectral analysis based on Fourier transform or harmonic regression models) in that it allows for an arbitrary shape of possible oscillatory components along with time-dependent amplitudes (like in wavelet of classical EOF analysis/PCA), but not for time-dependent frequencies. The latter restriction might be alleviated by using other even more data-adaptive time scale decomposition techniques like empirical mode decomposition, which the authors decided not to consider in their present work (which is fine, since possible advantages of other methods also come along with additional caveats). Notably, the authors also use the multivariate extension of SSA, yet only show the corresponding results as plots in the supplement without further discussion and interpretation, so one may argue that this material might not be relevant. (If relevant, it should also be discussed in the text.) In a similar spirit, it is notable that Figs. S6 and S7 are currently not (respectively, wrongly) referenced in the text, but should be referred to in l.212.
Response 8: We will clarify that as part of the revision process, and we will also apply this approach for gap-filling as well. As for the application of additional methods, such as empirical mode decomposition, we tried to limit the amount of applied methods to a reasonable extent, which would suffice for addressing the goals of the research. We agree that more analyses can be done, but as Prof. Donner suggests, every method has its advantages and disadvantages, and our general notion is that enough analyses are presented in the current version, so we would refrain from conducting additional analyses. We will remove the multivariate SSA from the supplementary, as it shows similar results that do not contribute substantially over the univariate SSA. We will reduce the amount of supplementary material and will additionally review all references and make sure they are properly referenced.
Comment 9: A bit worrying is the application of cross-wavelet analysis, which is not well described in the manuscript (ll.212-214). My understanding is that the authors first use SSA for detrending and denoising the time series under study and then estimate the cross-wavelet spectrograms for pairs of time series. It is notable that this type of analysis is commonly not recommended, since it can provide large spectral power even if only one of the two signals actually exhibits a “periodic” component. For the purpose of seeking for joint oscillatory components, the normalized wavelet coherency should be the method of choice instead (Maraun & Kurths, Nonlin. Proc. Geophys., 2004).
Response 9: Following the provided reference, we agree that the cross-wavelet analysis is not robust enough on its own to support the identification of mutual periodicities, so this will be removed and replaced with the wavelet coherence.
Comment 10: Section 4.3, 2nd paragraph: It should be clarified that substantial spectral power in the low-frequency part is a common feature of climate time series. Hence, the fact that the wavelet spectrogram does not indicate statistical significance in this range of frequencies indicates that any low-frequency (inter-decadal) oscillations embedded in the signals do not follow a strictly periodic pattern. Note that at the mentioned time scales, the cone of influence becomes so narrow here that the number of oscillations may not be sufficient to identify properly any periodic structure.
Response 10: We agree with this comment. This will be clarified.
Response to minor comments:
Comment 11: The second paragraph of the introduction briefly discusses key drivers of hydroclimate variability in the Levant. In this regard, I am somewhat missing any brief statements on possible teleconnections from the Indian Ocean. In modern times, there exist anomalous circulation patterns linking the Arabian Sea branch of the Indian summer monsoon with the climate of the Eastern Mediterranean region. The active Red Sea troughs (ARST) are a manifestation of associated episodic events providing heavy precipitation to the study area, as also mentioned by the authors in the last paragraph of Section 5.3. It might be interesting to explore, or at least speculate about a possible link between elevated flood frequency and Indian monsoon failures as documented in historical heavy precipitation events of the recent past. More specifically, I am wondering if there is a way to (indirectly) link the inferred flood frequency to late Pleistocene Indian monsoon variability. Or can we expect the corresponding teleconnection not to play an important role during that period (e.g., due to a suppressed monsoon-desert mechanism)?
Response 11: This is an interesting suggestion that we will look into. Nevertheless, to our knowledge, the Indian summer monsoon is currently not a trigger for precipitation at the eastern Mediterranean. In contrast, the monsoon-desert connection indicates that the monsoon causes air subsidence in the Levant and does not deliver precipitation (Rodwell and Hoskins, 1996; Dayan et al., 2017). Furthermore, the ARST and the RST are seasonally unrelated to the summer Indian monsoon. they are late fall and winter phenomena, when the monsoon is long gone from the Arabian Sea into the southern hemisphere.
Comment 12: L.386: I don’t quite get what an “NAO-like periodic component” should be, since the NAO does not have any clear periodicity. In a similar spirit, ll.467-468 claim “quasi-periodic ~3-4 years components, possibly related to the North Atlantic Oscillation”, which I am not aware of to exist.
Response 12: It is true that NAO does not have a strong periodic component, however, there are different opinions on that aspect. We will revisit the literature and consider rephrasing accordingly.
Comment 13: L.409: Please check if the reduced recurrence rate is not just due to an increased variance within the considered time window.
Response 13: We will check this following the previous comments made with respect to the recurrence analyses.
Response to technical corrections:
All technical corrections will be corrected accordingly.
Cited references:
Dayan, U., Ricaud, P., Zbinden, R., and Dulac, F.: Atmospheric pollution over the eastern Mediterranean during summer–a review, Atmospheric Chemistry and Physics, 17, 13233-13263, 2017.
Marwan, N., Romano, M.C., Thiel, M., Kurths, J., 2007. Recurrence plots for the analysis of complex systems. Physics reports 438, 237-329.
Rodwell, M. J., & Hoskins, B. J., 1996. Monsoons and the dynamics of deserts. Quarterly Journal of the Royal Meteorological Society, 122(534), 1385-1404.
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EC1: 'Comment on cp-2020-161', Pierre Francus, 14 Apr 2021
Dear Authors,
I read the reviewers comments and also read your manuscript myself. The concerns raised by the reviewers look reasonable and you should be ready to reply to all of them. There are a few comments I would like to emphasize.
- As suggested in referee 3 comments (RC3), please reorganized the labelling of figures. The current numbering is confusing, especially at the beginning.
- Please verify the numbers in the call for figures in the text. I have the feeling that there are some inconsistencies.
- As suggested in RC2, the supplementary material is plentiful, and will be overwhelming for most of the readership of Climate of the Past. Try to remove what is not necessary.
- I agree with RC3 that referring to “non-persistent periodic[al] components of 2-6 years” in ll. 369-370 appears more like wishful thinking than proper interpretation of the obtained results.
I also have comments of my own.
- The interpretation is based on the comparison between the “periodic components” of the current synoptic conditions (ll. 334-335 and 424-448), with the “periodic components” of your records. However, it is not discussed how sure we are that the current synoptic conditions are similar to the ones in isotopic stage 2, and even if the conditions were similar during the two time-intervals considered here for analysis, 18 ka and 27 ka. Indeed, during the Pleistocene, the presence of large polar ice caps has deflected the jet streams and many other systems towards the equator. This should be discussed.
Technical comments
l143-1475: repetition of intro
l147: missing data replaced by median? Valid?
l159-161: Not clear what you do.
l226 and following: µ is indicating what? Median, mean? This looks odd.
l345-346: I do not understand the rationale. More is needed to explain the relationship.
Figure7: what is the time-scale?
l409: I don’t see why Figs 6-7 are illustrating the sentence here.
l410: What do you mean by background episodes? Actually, what do exactly mean by episode? Do you mean a time interval?
l468: demonstrate strong regime shifts? I find “strong” excessive.
Prior to making your revision, you are expected to answer the 3 referee comments (and mine) in order for me to decide if I can invite you to prepare a revised version of your manuscript. More details here: https://www.climate-of-the-past.net/peer_review/interactive_review_process.html.
I also would like to remind you that Climate of the Past is expecting you to make your data available, and to have a section "Data availability" at the end of the manuscript before the acknowledgements (please see https://www.climate-of-the-past.net/submission.html for more details).
I’m looking forward to reading your responses on the web site.
Thank you for submitting your work to Climate of the Past.
Pierre Francus
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AC1: 'Reply on EC1', Yoav Ben Dor, 24 Jun 2021
Response to Comment by Prof. Pierre Francus (Editor)
Response to general comments:
Dear Editor,
We wish to thank you and the reviewers for completing the review of this manuscript in a timely manner during those complicated times. After reading carefully through the comments, which we consider of prime importance for improving the manuscript, we believe that these comments will contribute substantially to the quality and clarity of the article and would also improve its implications for paleoclimate research in the eastern Mediterranean.
Furthermore, our overall impression from the comments are that the reviewers possess substantial knowledge within the scope of the paper, and address important aspects that will be improved. We will follow their comments and recalculate the necessary analyses so that all parts of the discussion and conclusions would be reliably backed by the proper analyses of the data and its interpretation.
We will therefore correct the entire manuscript in accordance with the reviewers’ comments and will remove any questionable segments that are not robust enough, or that are not sufficiently coherent for interpretation. Please find our detailed response to the comments made by the reviewers submitted in the CP discussions system.
On behalf of all authors,
Dr. Yoav Ben Dor
Response to specific comments:
Comment: As suggested in referee 3 comments (RC3), please reorganized the labelling of figures. The current numbering is confusing, especially at the beginning. Please verify the numbers in the call for figures in the text. I have the feeling that there are some inconsistencies.
Response: We apologize for any errors made with figure numbering. This will be fixed during the revision.
Comment: As suggested in RC2, the supplementary material is plentiful, and will be overwhelming for most of the readership of Climate of the Past. Try to remove what is not necessary.
Response: We agree. We will carefully revise, reorganize and reduce the amount of supplementary material.
Comment: I agree with RC3 that referring to “non-persistent periodic[al] components of 2-6 years” in ll. 369-370 appears more like wishful thinking than proper interpretation of the obtained results.
Response: We agree with this notion and we will rephrase the results and discussion sections accordingly.
Comment: The interpretation is based on the comparison between the “periodic components” of the current synoptic conditions (ll. 334-335 and 424-448), with the “periodic components” of your records. However, it is not discussed how sure we are that the current synoptic conditions are similar to the ones in isotopic stage 2, and even if the conditions were similar during the two time-intervals considered here for analysis, 18 ka and 27 ka. Indeed, during the Pleistocene, the presence of large polar ice caps has deflected the jet streams and many other systems towards the equator. This should be discussed.
Response: It is true that we cannot unambiguously determine which synoptic systems affected the eastern Mediterranean during the LGM. Nevertheless, there is no obvious reason at the moment to suggest that is should have been significantly different. Few studies are dealing directly with this question, and they support the general notion that past synoptic circulation patterns were similar to present (Greenbaum et al., 2006; Amit et al., 2011; Enzel et al., 2008), with some possible modifications of their spatial characteristics (e.g., Goldsmith et al., 2017). A section addressing this issue will be added to the updated manuscript.
Response to technical corrections:
All technical corrections will be corrected accordingly.
Cited references:
Amit, R., Simhai, O., Ayalon, A., Enzel, Y., Matmon, A., Crouvi, O., Porat, N., and McDonald, E.: Transition from arid to hyper-arid environment in the southern Levant deserts as recorded by early Pleistocene cummulic Aridisols, Quaternary Science Reviews, 30, 312-323, 2011.
Enzel, Y., Amit, R., Dayan, U., Crouvi, O., Kahana, R., Ziv, B., and Sharon, D.: The climatic and physiographic controls of the eastern Mediterranean over the late Pleistocene climates in the southern Levant and its neighboring deserts, Global and Planetary Change, 60, 165-192, 2008.
Goldsmith, Y., Polissar, P., Ayalon, A., Bar-Matthews, M., and Broecker, W.: The modern and Last Glacial Maximum hydrological cycles of the Eastern Mediterranean and the Levant from a water isotope perspective, Earth Planet. Sci. Lett., 457, 302-312, 2017.
Greenbaum, N., Ben-Zvi, A., Haviv, I., and Enzel, Y.: The hydrology and paleohydrology of the Dead Sea tributaries, Geological Society of America Special Papers, 401, 63-93, 2006.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/cp-2020-161-AC1