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https://doi.org/10.5194/cp-21-1359-2025
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Characterization of the 1966 Camp Century subglacial core: a multiscale analysis
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2024-2194', Pierre Francus, 27 Aug 2024
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The paper by Catherine Collins and co-authors presents a new rich dataset from the precious sediment samples collected at the base of the Camp Century ice core. The analyses include microCT, XRD, SEM-EDS and SEM imaging. The authors looked at the sedimentary facies in order to decipher the processes responsible for the deposition and preservation of sediments and infer some paleoenvironmental interpretation. The paper is well written and the figures have been made with great care, although several improvements can be done (see detailed comments below).
This paper refers a lot to another one submitted to the journal The Cryosphere by Bierman et al. (still a preprint at the time this review is written). Unfortunately, the reader needs to read the Bierman et al. paper to understand several things, such as the sample numbering and the stratigraphy. I think this essential information needs to be incorporated within this paper. For instance, the uppermost core section is the one on the right in the figure, which is not what one usually when presenting sediment cores. Incorporating panel B of figure 2 of the Bierman’s paper would be very helpful.
A disturbing feeling while reading the discussion section of this paper is that many arguments for the interpretations of the sediment facies are coming from previous papers. A clear distinction between the interpretations based on this new dataset, and the data presented elsewhere is needed.
My main concern is about the interpretation of the sedimentary facies. I’m not a specialist of glacial/proglacial/subglacial microfacies, but in such settings, it is critical to have an idea of position of the ice, the direction of the flows, the topography, the slopes, etc., to make a solid interpretation, which is impossible to obtain from a single sediment core. Moreover, it is very likely that the sediments recovered at the bottom of 1350 m of ice experienced some glaciotectonism. This is not discussed in the manuscript, and it should, because it is not sure that the ice cap was cold based all the time, especially if one of the interpretations suggested by the authors is that a river flowed at this site. In short, I think that the observations remain interesting but that the facies interpretation is pushed too far. It would be useful to have the input of a specialist of microsedimentological analyses of glaciogenic sediments.
For the statistical interpretation, the choice of the variables considered is not well justified; for instance, why including the depth of the sample as a variable (it could be an explanatory data).
Finally, there are many small mistakes and inaccuracies in the µCT dataset description making the paper arduous to read. There are details about the µCT data acquisition in the online public repository (congratulations for that effort), but it would be nice adding some information in the paper and/or in the repository in order to be able to reproduce the measurements (see my detailed comments below). Unfortunately, I was unable to open all the movies made on processed images. While the movies are a very nice addition, it is quite impossible to analyse these images. The addition of images that can be handled by an image analysis software would have been better in my point of view, but this is already very nice.
Detailed comments:
Line 65 : « sequence stratigraphy » has a specific meaning in sedimentology that is not related to the reality you want to describe. I suggest changing this by “the lithological succession”.
Line 166: “shrinking as sediment freezes”. I’m not a specialist of these structures, but it does not seem logical to have shrunk when ice has a 10% higher volume. Can you expand on that?
Lines 1972-173: this statement is strong and should be supported by evidence or a reference to other studies.
Lines 1978-1982: these sentences belong to the introduction, not the method section.
Method section: there is little information about the quality of the storage and the transport conditions during the four transfers of the samples that occurred through time. If there is no information, this should be stated. Also, the reader is referred to another paper for the sample handling; I suggest adding a more specific reference, for instance, what figure one needs to look at? Or to add that information or figure in the supplements.
Lines 186-187: please add some technical information about the energy used to scan the samples. The sample size, the geometry of the acquisition and if any filter was used. Was the reconstruction made using the NRecon software correcting for artefacts such as beam hardening?
Line 292: perimeter is a quantity that is not robust when small grains are measured. What is the size of the grains analysed by Fiji, in number of pixels? One needs to have at least 300 pixels to have a robust measurement. See for instance, Francus and Pirard (2004). Testing for sources of errors in quantitative image analysis in P. Francus (ed.) 2004. Image Analysis, Sediments and Paleoenvironments. Kluwer Academic Publishers, Dordrecht, The Netherlands.
The area measured in 2D slices underestimate the size of particles (same ref and many others). This should be stated somewhere in the text.
Lines 295-298: I believe this might be problematic to compare these shape parameters taken on images with different resolutions (see again the same paper motioned above). I’m not sure what the Tukey-Kramer honestly significant difference statistical test does, and maybe it is good enough, but you should discuss a possible bias.
Lines 301-313: I’m not sure to understand in what order these statistical analyses have been performed: first, first PCA on the image analysis data set on quartz grains only, and then K-means clustering on all data? Correct? Please try to clarify your text.
Lines 316-322: are these new observations, or corroborating the results of the paper cited? The wording is not clear about this.
Figure 2: this figure is good-looking, and I’m sure you spent a lot of time on it. However, it needs to be improved. First, historical images are not visible in the panel a). The figure would gain in readability if the top and the bottom of the section were indicated. A scale is missing. Adding a depth scale is also needed to help read the following lines. Panel b): What is exactly the full view? Do you mean a topogram, i.e., the equivalent of a radiograph? On what is based on the colour code? And what does it mean? These are false colour, right? So what do you gain here to transform the greyscale original images to these colourful images? If you gain something, that is correct, but if not, you should consider greyscale for the CT images. Also, I think that Climate of the Past has a policy regarding these figures to make sure that colour-blind people can read them. Finally, what exactly is showing the Particle view? Have you segmented all the denser particles from the volume and made a sum of them in one direction? How have you made this segmentation? What is the smallest size of the threshold particles?
The labels “units 1” and “unit 2”, in the 3rd column of panel a) seems to have been inverted, making the explanations below very difficult to understand.
The vertical clear ice inclusions are not obvious. Are those the very narrow vertical lines, one on the left of the image, the other in the centre?
Line 333: please add the name of the samples, i.e.1063-6 to 1062-1, in a similar way than you did below.
Line 335: what size are the clasts?
Line 336: sample 1062-4 seems to be a better example of these ice lenses with a braided lenticular pattern.
Lines 337-339: it is not clear what the reader has to look at in figure 2a that is representing ice. Where exactly are these 2 ice-rich layers?
Lines 340-341: it seems that the topmost sample of unit 1 is 1061-D5, right? Unless you call a “section” something that corresponds to a core tube in Bierman’s paper. This is why you need to incorporate the information from the Bierman’s paper about the sample names in this paper as well.
Line 342: I count 7 samples.
Line 343: how have you obtained this density and the % ice content? Is it with µCT? If yes, this is not trivial to obtain, and you should explain how you acquired these numbers.
Lines 344-345: not all the samples display 45˚ bedding: samples 1061-D1 and 1061-D2 display horizontal contacts.
Line 345: where is sample 1060-D3 in panel a)? Maybe you mean 1061-D3? If this is the case, then panel b) labelling needs to be corrected. Actually, sample 1060-D3 does not seem to exist elsewhere.
Line 348: this sentence “The samples in this unit are 1060-C3, 1060-C2, and the lower portion of 1060-C1.” should start the paragraph. I do not see the bedding, the grading and the cryostructures in the µCT-Scan images.
Line 349: the text says here there is no bedding but the line above, there was bedding. Please review your text.
Line 351: can you better show on the picture the reticulate structure that you mention here?
Line 352: bedding is visible in 1060-C1, but cryptic in 1060-C2.
Line 353: How the ice content has been measured? (Same question as above)
Lines 354-355: how can the reader know what is the a) sample and the b) sample in Figure 2? One can guess that the b) is on the right, but please add something about this in the figure.
Lines 355-356: Authors write “Directly below the contact bedding curves from sub-horizontal, downward to nearly 90° which continues into 1060-C”, but the bedding is not visible in the picture of 1060-C2.
Section 4.1: are the results presented here from the observation of the µCT scan image only?
Figure 3: Please change the label “14A” (standing for 14 Angstrom I suppose) from the legend into something like “clay minerals”. Also, it seems that there are more amorphous minerals in samples 1060-A2 and 1059-7. Could you comment on that?
Line 383: “selected” instead of “select”, right?
Figure 4a: what the vertical axis in the area plots means? Is it depth in the section of the sample? This is not easily readable. I would only keep the histograms. Also, in general, one plots those particle size distribution using a logarithmic scale.
Figure 4b: this plot is not readable. I suggest making scatter plots with the size, this will be helpful to check if size influences the two other parameters.
Lines 424-425: it would be a good idea to repeat here the formula of the parameters, so the figure is self-standing.
Lines 434-435: I suggest adding here what group the samples belong to (for ex. A-samples,…)
Line 436: “maximum mean value” is more appropriate, same for the minimum.
Line 437: is roundness distribution unimodal? I really doubt it is, the spread is very wide when looking at the figure.
Figure 5b: is the sum of the two plots making 100%. If yes, why do you need two plots?
Lines 448-449: see my earlier comment on potential bias of the size of the particles on the shape indices.
Line 454: sorry, but Fig.5a does not allow to see the coatings. Fig5 is too small for that.
Line 470: “grains within the core”: which one?
Lines 462-471: it is a pity that there is no detailed account of all these features, to have at least a semi-quantitative view of their occurrences.
Section 4.3: how the analysed grains have been selected? Random selection is quite important to avoid biases, or maybe all visible grains were selected.
Figure 6: the figure is very nice, but the element code in panel g is not clear and the scale shows the ∞ character, I suppose instead of the µ one.
Figure 7c: the variable labels are too small.
Line 495: why have you included depth as a variable? I suppose it is the depth in the core. If it is, then I think this is biasing your statistical analysis, forcing the samples with the same depth to be similar (spatial autocorrelation). I think you should remove this variable, and redo your statistical analysis without that variable. This brings the question how the variables included in the analysis have been selected? Can you expand on that?
Line 506: in the introduction, you write that the sediment core is made of several units, but here you assess this unit assignment. From this, the reader understands that the units have been previously defined, and I suppose this was made in previous papers. The authors should clearly distinguish the interpretation derived from the dataset presented here from the other proxy not presented here. Also, could you suggest a change in the unit assignments using your dataset only?
Line 530: I suggest adding “subsequent” here : (…) before subsequent cooling (…)
Line 535: which cryostructure are you talking about?
Line 536: this is the first time you mention that slumping is occurring. You should first demonstrate that the sediment is indeed a slump.
Lines 538-539: slumps can also produce debris flows, which are sediment facies that are not well sorted. If there is a normal grading, it is more likely that a turbiditic current occurred, implying that the environment is not compatible with sediments flowing downslope. Many questions come to mind here: for instance, was the site in an aerial or aqueous environment?
Lines 535-544: this interpretation for unit 3 is very hypothetical. I don’t think that these inferences can be made out of a single core. One needs to have observations about what is happening laterally.
Line 556: sediment content: what do you refer to here? Grain size? The horizontal alignment of grains is present only in a few samples.
Line 562: fluvial sediments are usually better sorted that these.
Line 565: “Multiple lines of evidence”: please specify which ones. The ones from this dataset or from other papers? Your dataset is not very convincing that this unit has been created by a river.
Line 569: is there information about the topography under the ice cap?
Line 591: this is counter-intuitive: glacial tills are usually coarser than fluvial sediments.
Figure 8: the font size in the boxes are too small.