Articles | Volume 20, issue 2
https://doi.org/10.5194/cp-20-349-2024
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Bayesian multi-proxy reconstruction of early Eocene latitudinal temperature gradients
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- Final revised paper (published on 21 Feb 2024)
- Supplement to the final revised paper
- Preprint (discussion started on 23 Jun 2023)
- Supplement to the preprint
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RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-1188', Michiel Baatsen, 27 Jul 2023
- AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Kilian Eichenseer, 24 Sep 2023
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RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-1188', Anonymous Referee #2, 30 Jul 2023
- AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Kilian Eichenseer, 24 Sep 2023
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AR – Author's response | RR – Referee report | ED – Editor decision | EF – Editorial file upload
ED: Reconsider after major revisions (02 Oct 2023) by Ran Feng
AR by Kilian Eichenseer on behalf of the Authors (03 Oct 2023)
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ED: Referee Nomination & Report Request started (15 Oct 2023) by Ran Feng
RR by Michiel Baatsen (21 Dec 2023)
ED: Publish as is (05 Jan 2024) by Ran Feng
AR by Kilian Eichenseer on behalf of the Authors (16 Jan 2024)
The authors present a novel approach in an attempt to improve latitudinal temperature gradients from spatially scarce proxy estimates.
While their efforts can clearly help substantially towards better assessing and interpreting the available proxies, the authors do not provide a convincing case to support their claims regarding the early Eocene. The technicalities and implementation of the method is solid, but the results allow only for a limited assessment of its applicability. Many of the limitations considering these proxy estimates lie in the methods behind the proxies themselves, something that is not adequately addressed in my opinion. I would therefore like to see some more tests including the potential effects of e.g. seasonality, lacking upper/lower bounds, or differently-sourced temperatures (ML ocean, SST, SAT etc.).
Regardless, I believe that this study can substantially benefit the field and therefore suggest publication after some adjustments/additions.
General remarks:
Introduction
When considering proxies within a certain interval, they may represent entirely different subsets of this interval and therefore not be compatible.
Methods
Especially towards higher latitudes, seasonal temperatures may be much more restrictive than yearly averages.
Model validation
Looking at many random spatial distributions of temperature estimates, one may get a too optimistic view on how well they could capture the considered gradient.
Results
The temperature estimates based on coral reefs in the tropics seem highly doubtful (this is briefly touched upon in the discussion), while information at higher latitudes is still extremely scarce.
Likely, the potential influence of seasonal biases in some high latitude proxies are potentially problematic for the method, this is again only briefly mentioned in the discussion.
In that sense, I am not convinced about the authors' claim that this method succeeds in providing an unbiased estimate of the latitudinal temperature gradient of the Early Eocene climate.
Specific Comments:
This is associated with many assumptions, the most important probably being that any relations found in present experiments still hold in the distant past.
Furthermore, the statistically derived temperature range falls well short of the potential maximum of 35.6C mentioned earlier, how is this consistent?
The autors may instead consider using e.g. 'estimates from our Bayesian model', or 'proxy-based model estimates'.
There is yet, however, sufficient discussion on several related aspects further down.
Figures:
This may be too detailed for the scope of the study, but this would suggest using average tropical temperatures rather than equatorial ones would be better suitable to estimate the latitudinal gradient.
In figure 4, we again see the maximum gradient shown at middle latitudes. This seems inconsistent with the emulator cases and also poses the question what determines this position?
A profile much like the one shown in the bottom panels of Figure 2 would likely result in highly different polar temperatures and thus gradients.
Tables
In this table, it should be explained better what the gradient means and at least have units (I assume degree C?). Is this a regression, a difference between points/regions?
Small remarks: