REVIEW COMMENT ON:
“Multiproxy evidence of the Neoglacial expansion of Atlantic Water to eastern Svalbard: Does ancient environmental DNA complement sedimentary and microfossil records?”
In this manuscript, the authors present a paleoreconstruction of environmental conditions for the last ca. 4000 years. They used a marine sediment core retrieved from Storfjorden, eastern Svalbard and a multitude of proxies. In particular, the environmental DNA record offers new information regarding past oceanographic conditions. This novel approach provides interesting new data that adds to the existing records of the area. Therefore, I feel that this study plays a positive role towards multi-proxy studies and certainly deserves to be published. Nonetheless, I do have some concerns regarding the interpretation of the data.
GENERAL COMMENTS:
Chronology:
I wouldn´t say that the chronology is the worst for this area. However, with respect to strengthen it, I wonder if you tried (and if not, why not?) to measure any additional core depths for AMS 14C dating? In particular, it seems to me, from Figure 4 & 5, that there is actually foraminiferal material between 5.5 and 14.5 cm as well as between 14.5 and 43.5 cm so I wonder why this is not used.
Methodology and results:
Although the general approach and method on itself seems valid, one of the shortcomings (and/or missed opportunities) of this study is the low resolution. I mean, the core is 55 cm (which is not too much material) and the key proxy of this study (what adds the new knowledge) is only sampled for every 5 cm (i.e. 12 samples if I calculate correctly?). Nonetheless, in addition to that, the data in this study is only presented/discussed for the most recent 4000 years. (In my calculations this should then be less then 12 data points for fig 6-7-8. I find this quite confusing, so please explain this?). Regarding the sensitivity of cross-contamination when dealing with DNA samples, I can imagine it might be too late now. However, I do feel it is a shame that not every cm was investigated. In addition to that, even for the other proxies, despite the core was sampled every cm, the results only shows data for every 2 cm. Something which btw should be better explained in the material and method section.
Related to this topic, I´m not entirely sure regarding the division/interpretation of the results/discussion. Specifically, the period prior to ca. 2700 years (sub-chapter 6.1) is based on only 2 data points for foram/IRD/isotopes and only 1 for the DNA data. This seems rather low to me to actually base any conclusions/interpretations on. Furthermore, the DNA record is within this time frame (for obvious reasons) not even discussed. I feel this issue should be more acknowledged and explained within the manuscript.
Discussion:
How do you explain the selection of cores you compare your data with? In Figure 1, only very local (in the vicinity of the studied core) marine cores are included. Why not geographically broader? For example, Holocene records on the AW pathway? Such as those presented by studies such as Hald et al., 1996; Hald et al., 2007; Berben et al., 2014; Risebrobakken and Berben, 2019…… OR, what about east of Svalbard? Berben et al., 2017 and references within.
When adding sea-ice cover to the discussion… What about the results published in Berben et al., 2017; Belt et al., 2015. There, the authors present a sea ice reconstruction based on sea ice biomarkers and also describe a change of environmental conditions at ca. 2700 years ago with episodic periods of increased AW. This seems to correlate well with the finding of this study and thus, worth to compare with.
Regarding the structure of the discussion… why did you gave the period before 2.7 ka (based on 2 data points) an entire sub-chapter and all the rest of your record another sub-chapter? Why not splitting 6.2 into different sub-chapters? I think this would make it easier to bring across the main messages.
Furthermore, I think the statement at Page15 Line30-31 is also quite simplistic considering the fact the “first” period is based on 2 data points. Thereby, I mean that if you have only 2 data points for 1300 years, it is not so surprising the records looks stable. Concluding, based on that, that the variability/alternating periods etc. start only after 2.7 ka is quite short-sighted. Therefore, I suggest to place your discussion into a wider geographical context (like the broader Barents Sea) as previous studies indicated similar things and therefore, might support the conclusions drawn within this manuscript.
References:
Most of the paleo references within this manuscript are ca. 5 years old (or older) even though this area has been investigated in several more recent studies. Therefore, I recommend including the latest literature within this field both in your introduction and discussion. While doing so, keep a wider geographical area, and not just Storfjorden, in mind.
Language:
I believe, there is still some room for improvement when it comes to the writing. In particular, grammar mistakes should be avoided. Furthermore, language can be improved and repetition of the same sentence structure should be avoided. With respect to this comment, I made quite some suggestions in the minor comments.
SPECIFIC COMMENTS:
Abstract
P1L13: Change “was” by “is”
P1L15: Why brine factory between brackets? Plus should it not be plural?
P1L16-17: Remove comma. Rewrite. “…masses: warm saline Atlantic Water (AW) and cold fresh Arctic Water…”
P1L18: “…evidence for existing interactions between the AW inflow and…”
P1L27: “… a decreased productivity. …”
P1L29: Add an “s” after variation
P1L29-P2L1: Rewrite sentence. Possible make two of them.
1. Introduction
P2L7: Rewrite. “The northwards flow of….(AW), transported by the ???Current, is …”
P2L8: Rewrite. “…indicates a warming…” Btw, a warming of what?
P2L9: Rewrite. “…increased inflow of AW towards the Arctic…”
P2L10: Rewrite. “…western Svalbard margin during, at least, the last…”
P2L13: Add spaces after 6.8 and before 1 (consistent with notation in line 12)
P2L15-18: Although it is a correct statement, I suggest to include more references as the study of Slubowska-Woldengen is not only one. So, rewrite to (e.g. Slubowska-Woldengen et al., 2007…ADD OTHERS FROM THE AREA…)
P2L18: “…fluctuations of AW inflow (e.g. references)”
P2L21: From the Barents Sea? Be more specific where the ESC comes from.
P2L24-25: “…Storfjorden, East Spitsbergen (Lydersen…”
P2L25: “…Recently, Hansen et al. (2011) suggested that AW…”
P2L26: “…BP) something that was…”
P2L27-28: Do you have a reference for this statement? What about paleoreconstruction studies from the Barents Sea?
P2L30: “…Arctic is characterized by a declined summer …”
P2L31: “…1978) that correlates to a decline…”
P2L31-32: Again, add “e.g.” before the references. There many more studies from this wider area that indicate the same. In particular, include more recent studies.
P2L32: “…. Waters and a limited…”
P2L33: “towards the Nordic…”
P2L33: When you use Müller et al., 2012 as a reference. I suggest you specify the location of this study (i.e. West Spitsbergen).
P2L33-P3L2: With respect to the comment above, other studies (such as Berben et al., 2014; 2017) indicate similar increased sea ice conditions (! Based on similar sea ice proxies (i.e. IP25, biomarkers)) for the SW and E of Svalbard. These studies are with respect to sea ice references more appropriate than Sarnthein et al., 2003. Nonetheless, the latter is probably more correct with respect to changes in water masses. Although, here the same comment as above: this is only 1 of the many studies of this area indicative of water mass changes throughout the Holocene. So, add “e.g.” and other references (!more recent than 2003?).
P3L2: change “has” by “is”
P3L3: “considered to represent a constant cold ….”
P3L3: Do you have a reference for the last part of this sentence?
P3L4-5: Similar comment as before. Include more recent references for the wider area of the Barents Sea.
P3L6: Rewrite. “…2015). In addition for that period, there is…”
P3L7: “…of warm AW inflow towards western Svalbard (e.g. …”
P3L10: Remove “the” before fjord and before AW
P3L16-19: Rewrite sentence!
P3L20: “The aim of this study….
P3L21-24: Rewrite sentence! And again, use more than just 1 study to support this assumption. Plenty of studies from the area to back up this statement.
P3L25: …comprising composed…? These two words in a row does not makes any sense. Revise.
2. Study area
In general, see comments with Figure 1. Also refer to this figure within this chapter.
P4L11: Add brackets around Heleysundet and Freemansundet
P4L16: “Arctic waters as well as mixed…”
P4L16-18: Rewrite this sentence. The current that branches off is not longer the WSC anymore!
P4L19: Explain the 2 passages in the north better. See also comment with Figure 1.
P4L20-21: Add the unit of salinity.
P4L25-28: Rewrite/Revise sentence. Plus add unit of salinity
P4L29-30: “…in Storfjorden is classified as a low-energy and high-accumulation environment, which is characteristic …”
P4L30-32: Rewrite sentence. Explain the last part of the sentence better.
P4L33: “..formation as well as the duration…”
3. Materials and methods
3.1 Sampling
I suggest deleting the subheading “3.1 Sampling” or changing it by “3.1. Marine sediment core”
P5L4: Change “during the cruise” by “retrieved with”
P5L5: Be consistent in using a space or not before degrees (See how you do it within the results chapter)
P5L6: remove space before “of”
P5L7: Extruded? I don´t think this is the correct word here.
P5L9: “extraneous on and/or cross-contamination of the thin…”
P5L8-10: Explain better. Rewrite sentence.
P5L11: change “in” by “at”
3.2 Sediment dating
P5L13: Change “sediment dating” to “Chronology”
P5L14: Change “sediment layeres” by “marine sediment core”
P5L15: Add “retrieved” after layers
P5L16: Add “core depth” after cm
P5L16-17: Rewrite “…from 46.5 cm core depth.”
P5L18: Change “in” by “at”
P5L20: Change “in” by “at”
P5L21: Remove space before new sentence.
P5L23-24: Explain why you chose this value for delta R. Plus rewrite sentence as it is not entirely correct as you say it. The here given value represents the local reservoir age (DeltaR) that is applied, rather than the difference… I think? Double check!
P5L25: “…BP) (Table 1).”
3.3 Sediment grain size
P5L27: Change subtitle to “Grain size analysis”
P5L28: “…for grain size…”
P5L29: analyzer… Pay attention to consistent use of z/s (language!)
P5L31-32: Add reference for this method
P5L33: “… was used to reconstruct an ice rafted debris (IRD) record. …”
P6L1-2: “… is reported as concentrations (i.e. the number….”
3.4 Fossil foraminifera
P6L5: I suggest being more specific and thus, changing the subtitle to “Benthic foraminiferal assemblages”
P6L6-7: Rewrite sentence. Same comment as before and thus, be more specific. Literally say what your aim is (i.e. to reconstruct benthic foraminiferal assemblages). Also, make “mesh” plural. You used more than one mesh.
P6L11-12: Similar comment as for Grain size. “…presented as concentration (…) and flux (….).”
3.5 Stable isotope analysis
In general, what about errors for these measurements? In terms of reproducibility. Vital effect corrections?
P6L20: Change “From” by “Ca. “
P6L21: Delete space before new sentence. “… performed using a …”
3.6 Ancient DNA analysis
I suggest giving a bit more information about this proxy in general. As it is a more recently developed proxy, this might be useful to the readers.
4. Results:
Generally, the Results (and later also the Discussion) section should be revised with respect to the writing style. It contains often the same sentence structure. Something that is getting kind of unpleasant to read.
Furthermore, as they are often wrongly placed and/or used the use of comma´s should be revised. There is no harm in starting a new sentence.
Also, as the chronology is not sufficient enough to claim exact ages, make sure you ALWAYS use “~” when referring to timing/ages.
Then, conjugate your verbs correctly: You might have observed/recorded/noted etc. things in the past; however, your results still ARE what they are as of today. So, make sure to conjugate your verbs in the present tense when necessary.
4.1 Sediment age and type:
P7L20: What is meant with sediment type?
P7L21-22: Rewrite: “All dates were recorded in a chronological order….”
P7L22: Delete “depths of”
P7L23: Add “core depth” after 5.5 cm
P7L23: Delete “that were”
P7L24: Place commas after “was” and after “therefore”
P7L24-28: You say here “three remaining dates”. However, even though you don´t present data between 4000 and 9000 years ago later in this study, from Figure 3 it is clear that you still used the last date in your age model. In addition, from Figure 3 it also seems you still use the first date to construct your age model. Hence, that looks like you actually use 5 data points (incl. linear interpolation). I think you should explain this better, both here within the text as well as later in Figure 3 and Table 1.
P7L26: Change “time” by “temporal”
P7L27: Rewrite …precluded the making of…
P7L27-28: Change “the manuscript” by “this study”
P7L29: Comment here and related to many examples later on. When describing your results be careful with the used tense. Your results still “are” what they are, so no need to write in the past tense about them. Hence, change “was” by “is”.
P7L29: Rewrite …An approximately…
P7L30: Rewrite ….where it increases…
P7L31: Rewrite ….decreases…
P7L32: Change “was” by “is”
P7L33: Rewrite ...The IRD flux decreased slightly with….
P8L1-2: ….one peak reaching 0.8 grains g-1 cm-1 at ~ 2.6 cal ka BP.
P8L3: … fraction had its highest…
P8L4: …after ~ 2.4 cal ka BP…
NOTE: For chapter 4.2 to 4.5, (and later also for the discussion) the conjugation of verbs should be double checked as I will not any longer do this in the further review.
4.2 Stable isotopes
Revise this chapter based on general comments stated below results.
4.3 Fossil foraminifera
P8L18: I suggest rethinking this sub-title. From the scope of the journal it is quite obvious this study deals with fossil foraminifera. I would be more specific here in what you present (i.e. benthic foraminiferal assemblages?)
P8L19: A total of 8647 specimens? I assume, this is the total for all samples? However, in which way is this relevant for this study?
P8L20-24: Rewrite sentence. Possibly split into two sentences. Make it more clear what you are trying to say.
P8L23-24: …There are a few… foraminifera recorded. In particular, these peaks lay at ~ 2.0 and ~ 1.8 cal ka BP as well as at the sediment….
P8L24: ….37, 37 and 66%, …
P8L23-25: If you refer here to Figure 4. I would make this also more visible within Figure 4. Right now, it is not clear what you are referring to. Or explain better.
P8L29: …. 2524, 2584 and 2610 ind. g-1, respectively. …
Note: No need to repeat the unit in a summary like this. Apply this within the further manuscript as it occurs more often
P8L30-32: Rewrite sentences more clearly. Clarify that the flux reached 2.2 for both peaks.
P9L3: ….at ~2.3 …
P9L5-9: Rewrite sentence. Too long.
P9L9: Delete “After ~ 2.7 cal ka BP, there were”
P9L10: Add “were” between peaks and recorded
P9L11-15: Rewrite sentence. Too long, too many commas.
4.4 Foraminiferal aDNA sequences
P9L21: A total of … Why is this number relevant?
P9L31-34: Rewrite sentence. ! Grammar.
P10L1-9: Pay attention to the repetition of the same sentence structure.
4.5 Diatom aDNA sequences
P10L12: Same comment as before regarding the total.
P10L17: Delete space before start of new sentence
P10L18: … recorded at ~ 0.4 …
Note: revise entire manuscript wrt adding “at” when you refer to a certain moment in time.
P10L24: Delete “.” before start of new sentence.
P10L26: Rewrite sentence. No need for a comma in a sentence this short.
6. Discussion
P10L28: You jump from chapter 4 Results to chapter 6 Discussion?
P10L29-30: Rewrite: …a linear interpolation between four AMS 14C dates and thus, the age control….
However, which fourth date is included now? 2.5 cm or 52.5 cm? Clarify better throughout the manuscript.
P10L30-32: What is meant with this statement? Explain!
P10L34: …correlates…
P10L33-P11L2: Refer to figure 4!
With respect to this statement: I can see the maxima in core 23258. However, the minimum in this core is not clear to me. In addition, the temperature minimum and maxima in the GISP2 core are not clear to me at all… So, please explain this statement?
Furthermore, what is the reasoning behind the comparison of this record with GISP2? Why comparing it to a Greenland ice core record if you further keep it (geographically speaking) quite local? If comparing it to a Greenland ice core, then why GISP2 and not one of the others?
In addition to this, why did you picked core 23258 for comparison at this point? In your Figure 1, you show the location of several other marine cores, but not the one from Sarnthein et al., 2003. Why? Why adding 23258 to Figure 4 and not one of the records you have added in figure 1, and vica versa?
Also, I think the correct label of the core presented by Sarnthein et al., 2003 is M23258… double check this.
P11L2: Add an enter after this paragraph
6.1 The period from 4 cal ka BP to 2.7 cal ka BP
P11L3: Rewrite subtitle: “Time interval between ~ 4 and ~2.7 cal ka BP”
General comment to this sub-chapter:
This sub-chapter is based on the data retrieved from 2 samples! I genuinely doubt how realistic it is to say this much and interpret environmental conditions for ca. 1300 years based on 2 data points. And thus, if these 2 data points do not reflect 2 cm of sediment (but 4 cm?) I strongly recommend doubling the resolution. Even tough then, it will still be a low temporal resolution, but at least, slightly improved.
P11L4: Delete “During the period”
P11L5: Delete “variable” This are only 2 data points…
P11L5: What is meant with “coarsening”? more coarse compared to what? Why not just say what it is? “A relatively low mean 0-63-um fraction”
P11L7: Rewrite. “…IRD peaks were noted during the Neoglacial and attributed…”
P11L7: Be more specific on the timing of “during the Neoglacial”
P11L8: Rewrite. “… rafting resulting from glacial front fluctuations (e.g. …”
P11L8: Rewrite. “0-63-μm”
NOTE: Be consistent in the use of the hyphen between 63 and μm. It is mostly there, but not always!
P11L10: What is meant with “response”? Explain.
P11L11: …is dominated…
P11L13: …is associated with cool and salty AW…
P11L19: “.” at the end of the sentence
P11L21: Explain “standing stock”
P11L24: “noted a decrease” A decrease compared to when? After/Prior to 2.7 ka? How much is meant with a decrease? Explain/describe this decrease better…
P11L28: Explain what is meant with “high-energy”
P11L29-31: For honesty´s sake, I would mention this in the beginning of the sub-chapter (see general comment to this sub-chapter).
6.2 The period after 2.7 cal ka BP….
I´m not convinced about the sub-chapters titles…. I suggest revising them. Try to make it more concise.
P12L3-34: What is the main message of this paragraph? Make that more clear for the reader.
P12L13: Rewrite. ”…IRD in ST_1.5 may…”
P12L19: Rewrite. “Both increased ice cover… delivery limit light…”
P12L20: Add a comma after therefore.
P12L22: Replace “;” by a “.” Then start a new sentence “The latter may…”
P12L27-30: Rewrite sentence. Also, why referring to this study and not others from the Barents Sea.
P12L31-P13L2: Why not including sea ice reconstruction studies from the wider area (Barents Sea, east of Svalbard)? See general comments.
P13L3: “Knies et al. (2017) suggested…”
P13L6-9: Rewrite sentence. Not clear and a lot of “and´s”
P13L11: “…2.3 and 1.7 cal …melting of the sea ice cover,…”
P13L13: “…by light d18O peaks in benthic….”
P13L17: “…was dominated by both AW/…”
P13L20: “…2.3 and …”
P13L21: “…BP are M. barleeanum…”
P13L23-27: Rewrite sentence. Too many thoughts in one sentence.
P13L33: “…in the 0-63-μm…”
P14L1-2: This sentence is key for this study. So emphasize it more.
P14L2-5: Rewrite sentence.
P14L7: “…in ST_1.5 belong…”
P14L9: “Y were previously noted”
P14L12: Remove “;” and start new sentence. Place hyphen between so and called.
P14L13: “taxa are known”
P14L17: Remove “;” and start new sentence.
P14L20: Remove “;” and start new sentence.
P14L22: “…inflow at ~ 2.4 and ~ 1.7 cal ka BP. Furthermore, the…”
P14L27: “…sp. is commonly found…”
P15L2: Change “have been” by “were”
P15L13: “The decrease…” I would not call it a very pronounced decrease… So verbalize this more carefully.
P15L21-23: What do you exactly try to say here? The high abundances indicate declining sea ice cover OR the highly productive surface waters indicate declining sea ice cover? Clarify.
P15L25: Remove “;” and start new sentence.
P15L28: Add enter after this paragraph.
6.3 Paleoceanographic implications
P15L30: “…revealed a two-phase Neoglacial with…”
P15L31: “ST_1.5 proxy records,…”
P15L32: “…constant cold…
P16L1: When you refer to “evidence” … Due to the limited data points prior to 2.7 ka, I would back this up by more evidence from the literature from a wider geographical area. However still within the vicinity of your core site… And thus, as it is content-wise a bit “thin”, I suggest to revise and expand this sub-chapter (see comments Figure 1). I
P16L1: “…region during the mid-Neoglacial….”
P16L2: “An alkenone….”
P16L3-6: Rewrite sentence.
7. Conclusions
P16L18: “…steered controlled…” 2 verbs? Pick one.
P16L19: “and sea-ice cover variability. …”
P16L22: “…formation of an extensive…”
Figures:
In general, figure captions are rather “thin”. I suggest adding a bit more information to the figure caption in order to make it clearer what is presented.
Figure 1:
With respect to the Introduction/Study area as well as the Discussion later on, I consider this figure as too specific. And thus, I suggest to add a “geographically broader” figure into this figure. Have to panes: a) broad study area; b) a zoom of the fjord (figure as it is now). This will also allow you to add more reference cores used for the discussion within this figure. For example, I suggest to add the cores referred to in the discussion also within this figure.
Furthermore, now it is indicated that red means WSC. However, the current branched off and flowing into the Barents Sea is not any longer the WSC. So add the correct name.
Add reference of ODV in the figure caption.
Rewrite figure caption. Add more info to it as well.
Figure 2:
P27L2: Change “sampling station” by “core location”
Figure 3:
P2L8: Give the core name instead of “studied core”
Is the date at 2.5 cm used? It seems it is. More particular, 2.5 cm is given present day age and further used for the linear interpolation between present and the next dating point. Then, also indicate this in this figure but also in the text and in table 1.
Further, indicate in this figure the difference between foram versus shell dated data points
Figure 4:
Figure caption: Specify on which foraminiferal tests the isotope analysis has been executed (in the caption OR in the figure itself). Specify this study present benthic foraminifera (and not planktic).
Figure: Indicate on the X-axis the location of your 14C dates. (Also do this for Figure 4-5-6-7-8)
Be consistent in the labeling of your units (fe. Xxxx/g vs. XXX g-1). (Also for other figures)
Add hyphen for the grain size label.
Add reference of GISP 2 data.
Further I suggest to label the separate plots by a, b, c, etc. and then also refer to the figure more specifically within the manuscript. This will make it easier for the reader to follow. (Also do this for Figure 4-5-6-7-8)
Figure 5:
Figure: Atlantic Water with a capital letter as has been done within the manuscript.
Figure 6:
P30L4: “a dashed line”
Further, I´m a bit confused. It has been sad that every 5 cm of the core was sampled for DNA analyses. Which makes 12 samples for the entire core. Here, only the data till 3.3 ka is presented. So, how come you still have 12 data points?
I also suggest to add the dotted lines indicating 2.7, 2.3 etc. similar as has been done for Figure 4&5 (This also counts for figure 7 & 8)
Figure 7:
Please explain a little bit in the figure caption what these clades mean.
Further, wrt presenting your data in a consistent manner… Why did you switched to present the age on the Y-axis? I suggest presenting it on the X-axis as you did for the previous figures (This also counts for figure 8).
Figure 8:
P31L6: “….taxa plotted versus age” (Be consistent with other figure captions. “… a dashed…”
Table 1:
Change “sediment depth” by “core depth”
Be consistent: Calibrated years BP vs. Cal. a BP
Add information (possibly a new column) wether the dated material is on bivalve (shell) or benthic foraminifera…
Make clear the depth at 2.5 cm is given present day age.
Why the bold dark line between the last two rows? If you want to keep it like this, then explain this line within the figure caption. |