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Southern Ocean control on atmospheric CO2 changes across late-Pliocene Marine Isotope Stage M2
Abstract. During the Pliocene, atmospheric CO2 concentrations (pCO2) were similar to today’s and global average temperature was ~3 °C higher. However, the relationships and phasing between variability in climate and pCO2 on orbital time scales are not well understood. Specifically, questions remain about the nature of a lag of pCO2 relative to benthic foraminiferal δ18O in the late-Pliocene Marine Isotope Stage M2 (3300 kiloannum ago, ka), which was longer than during the Pleistocene. Here, we present a multi-proxy paleoceanographic reconstruction of the late-Pliocene subantarctic zone, which is today one of the major ocean sinks of atmospheric CO2. New dinoflagellate cyst assemblage data is combined with previously published sea surface temperature reconstructions, to reveal past surface conditions, including latitudinal migrations of the subtropical front (STF) over the late-Pliocene at ODP Site 1168, offshore west Tasmania. We observe strong oceanographic variability at the STF over glacial-interglacial timescales, especially across the M2 (3320–3260 ka). By providing tight and independent age constraints from benthic foraminiferal δ18O, we find that, much more than benthic δ18O or local SST, latitudinal migrations of the STF are tightly coupled to pCO2 variations across the M2. Specifically, a northerly position of the STF during M2 deglaciation coincides with generally low pCO2. We postulate that the efficiency of the Southern Ocean carbon outgassing varied strongly with migrations of the STF, and that is in part accounted for the variability in pCO2 across M2.
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CC1: 'Comment on cp-2024-33', Ian Bailey, 15 May 2024
Great study and fascinating work, and I look forward to seeing your work published in CP. Full disclosure; this is a biased comment from a retired academic, but I noticed that you did not cite Kirby et al. (2020; https://doi.org/10.1016/j.quascirev.2020.106644). I thought I'd draw your attention to this work, though, since it was the first study to provide a data-driven discussion and hypothesis on the location and mechanisms involved in marine carbon storage during MIS M2. The ideas we presented in Kirby et al. on this subject are certainly consistent with the conclusions you have drawn.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/cp-2024-33-CC1 -
AC3: 'Reply on CC1', Suning Hou, 02 Aug 2024
Great study and fascinating work, and I look forward to seeing your work published in CP. Full disclosure; this is a biased comment from a retired academic, but I noticed that you did not cite Kirby et al. (2020; https://doi.org/10.1016/j.quascirev.2020.106644). I thought I'd draw your attention to this work, though, since it was the first study to provide a data-driven discussion and hypothesis on the location and mechanisms involved in marine carbon storage during MIS M2. The ideas we presented in Kirby et al. on this subject are certainly consistent with the conclusions you have drawn.
Reply: We thank CC1 Ian Bailey for his positive comments and kind reminding. But please understand there could be useful literatures oversighted during our study. We have incorporated Kirby et al. (2020) into the revised manuscript.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/cp-2024-33-AC3
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AC3: 'Reply on CC1', Suning Hou, 02 Aug 2024
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RC1: 'Comment on cp-2024-33', Anonymous Referee #1, 12 Jun 2024
This paper presents dinoflagellate cyst assemblages from one sediment core (ODP 1168) off the coast of Tasmania across the M2 glacial interval in the Pliocene. By using modern analogs and available SST and CO2 reconstructions it it then concluded how not only SST but also salinity might have changed and how changes relate to CO2. The information is used to suggest that changes in the polar fronts were probably responsible for the observed CO2 changes which are delayed to SST / d18O anomalies across M2.
I am not a data person, so I cannot judge the quality of the data. However, assuming they are ok I try to understand to given story (support for the conclusions) and while I can follow it in principle I have problems in the details. So, therfore, please find my suggestions to improve the text below, which hopefully helps all readers, not only the non-experts, to better follow and understand the content of the paper. Comments are in chronological order.
1. First sentence of abstract: Todays CO2 are above 420 ppm, while for the Pliocene data are still uncertain, ranging from 150 to 450 ppm, as you also show in Fig 4c. So this needs adjustment, or maybe use a different opening.
2. line 11: You show new data from one core. One conclusions is, that the subtropical front migrated several times across the core site, placing the site at some times in the subtropical zone, in other times in the subantarctic zone. So your sentence …of the late-Pliocence subantarctic zone… ist not completely correct.
3. line 11-12: The fact that the subantarctic zone is nowadays a major ocean sink for CO2 comes from the fact that our anthropogenic emissions have reversed the natural atmosphere-ocean CO2 fluxes. However, it makes little sense to compare fluxes of today (fossil fuel driven, so surface ocean CO2 is a slave to atmospheric CO2) with a natural state (atmospheric CO2 is the gas-phase of the ocean, so dominately oceanic-driven atmopsheirc CO2). More interestingly here would be a comparison with the natural role of the Southern Ocean to CO2 (which is a source in the south, see your Fig 1, process 1, and a sink in the north, Fig 1, process 3). Maybe cite for details in the introduction / main text on this subject also Gruber, N., et al. (2009), Oceanic sources, sinks, and transport of atmospheric CO2, Global Biogeochem. Cycles, 23, GB1005, doi:10.1029/2008GB003349.
4. lines 10 and 15: Give the same dates for M2, or better, state it only once at line 10. I do not think ka has to be introduced to the reader of this journal.
5. lines 49ff and Fig 4c: On CO2. I would expect a little more critical discussion of CO2. If I look at the CenCO2PIP 2023 data I also find d11B-based CO2 as low as 220 ppm around M2, something which was also highlighted in Köhler (2023, https://doi.org/10.1029/2022PA004439), who only plotted and analysed d11B-based CO2. This together with the even lower alkenone (here called phytoplankton-based) gives me some difficulties in accepting the statement that Pliocene CO2 was ~400 ppm. Maybe yes, maybe not. I can agree, that the de la Vega et al (2020) data are the highest resolved CO2 data across that interval, so the temporal changes are probably real, but the absolute values to some extend also depends on the calibration (and assumptions made for a 2nd variable of the carbonate system, see Köhler 2023 for discussions, if interested). PLIOMIP1 initally used 405ppm, stating explictly that this should also cover changes in non-CO2 greenhouse gases, such as CH4 and N2O. While I think this statement is somehow lost in PLIOMIP2, it is nevertheless contained there, since CH4 and N2O are fixed at preindustrial values. Furthermore, PLIOMIP3 (Haywood et al., 2024, https://doi.org/10.1016/j.gloplacha.2023.104316) now also added a scenario with 490ppm to account for the finding of Hopcroft et al (2020, https://doi.org/10.1073/pnas.2002320117) of higher CH4 in the Pliocene, adding a radiative forcing of 0.9 W/m^2, or a warming of 0.6-1.0 K. Maybe discuss this more widely in your introduction.
6. line 66: … one record… Please added details, which record this is and where.
7. Fig 1: Arrowheads of the CO2 fluxes in Fig 1a are too small. Captions: STZ not explained, while SAZ should be both subtropical and subantarctic zone? I believe the details of the data generation might be better placed in the methods and/or data availability section. What is MODIS-Aqua? I believe there is reference missing for the SST data plotted in Fig 1b.
8. line 99: Reference missing for modern SST and BWT at site 1168.
9. line 111: The definition of the STF index is crucial for understanding the paper. Please be more specific how this is calculated. How do the dinocysts enter the index. At best state the used equation.
10. line 129: what is the sh_655 data set?
11. line 147: The sentence „3 carbonate standards (ETH-1,2,3)“ is incomplete.
12. line 150: „0.06 permil and 0.06 permil, respectively“ is better described as „0.06 permil in both variables“.
13. The age model:
1. On fig 3 you only show d18Obf from CENOGRID, but you mentioned also LR04 in line 178. Is the later really used? If so, maybe include in Fig 3, but consider using the update (Prob-stack, Ahn et al., 2017, https://doi.org/10.1093/climsys/dzx002).
2. line 179: „4 solid age points“: well, which ones are they? there are 7 in Fig 2. The reasoning for chosing the age points is not clear to me, e.g. #7 a minima in CENOGRID d18O is tuned to a maximum in d18O from the site, similarly in #4, or is color reflectance more important here (would make sense for #4, but not for #7), but this is not mentioned in Table 1 as such. Please add details. What about the age model previously used for the published SST data of the site (Hou et al., 2023a)? Is it different, why is this not taken here? Maybe add a depth-age plot.
3. In summary, I have the feeling that the available tie points do not allow for a perfect matching of records. It would be good if you could also state an age uncertainty to the tie points, which would allow to judge how certain the discussed phasing with CO2 is.
14. Fig 3c: Something is wrong with obliquity (right y-axis), should be around 23°, not around 0.4? Or define precisely, what „obliquity insolation curve“ means. Whatever, a unit in the y-axis label would help.
15. SST, lines 189ff: I have problems to bring the text together with Fig 4a. What I see: there is a SST minima in M2 in BAYSPAR (whatever that is, is not discussed) of 9-10°C, mabye after a 5°C cooling, Pre- and post-M2 SST seem to be on average the same, if you write differently you might need to state more clearly the age window you are refering to.
16. Fig 4: Please also mark the mPWP in the figure with another vertical bar (as for M2), since you refer to it a lot in the text. You can simplify the legend to Fig 4a: there is only 1 SST from site 959, and that is TEXT86-HL86, so merge green with triangle. All SST records from site 1168 are NOT from „this study“ as said in the legend, but if I understood correctly from Hou et al. (2023a). Fig 4c: Maybe highlight the CO2 data set, that is purely coming from de la Vega et al. (2020), since this was consistently measured on the same site in the same lab. Fig 4a: Why is summer insolation at 80°S plotted, why not at the core site (40°S)?
17. lines 223:ff: SST, again what is described here seems to disagree with Fig 4a, see #15 above. Maybe more details help.
18. lines 238ff: I cannot follow why you deduce that salinity changed. Maybe if the STF index is somehow related to SST or SSS I might be able to follow. Or is it simply: SST is already back to preM2 values after the M2, but the assembly distribution is not, therefore it has to be salinity? I can follow that, but how do you get a precise number of 1.5 psu?
19. line 247: What is the „recovery of M2“? After M2 comes the mPWP, no time lag between both.
20. line 251: I see that front and SST have a phase lag, since both have been measured on the same core. For the lag with CO2 a statement of age uncertainty is in my view helpful.
21. line 263: „influence the ocean uptake effiency of atmospheric carbon“. I am not sure this is the right wording. The fronts change the air-sea gas exchange of CO2 and eventually the net CO2 flux. What has efficiency to do with it?
22. line 270ff: „.. enhanced stratification … preventing respired CO2 from outgassing“. I am not sure you can go that far. Your frontal movement showed, that site 1168 was sometimes north/south of the STF. From that and Fig 1a you can say that the oceanic CO2 uptake (process 3) might be changed, so maybe a smaller marine sink. I do not think you can say a lot more on how the other fronts moved and therefore it is hard to see that the conclusion on stratification and the preventing of outgassing respired CO2 is supported, which would be a smaller marine CO2 source. The net effect on CO2 would be the same but for a different reason.
23. line 305ff: I am sorry, but I do not see any cooling in BWT in Fig 4e. The data give me more or less a straight line. Furthermore the full citation to Braaten et al (2023) is missing in the reference list, so I cannot check on the details.Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/cp-2024-33-RC1 -
AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Suning Hou, 02 Aug 2024
This paper presents dinoflagellate cyst assemblages from one sediment core (ODP 1168) off the coast of Tasmania across the M2 glacial interval in the Pliocene. By using modern analogs and available SST and CO2 reconstructions it it then concluded how not only SST but also salinity might have changed and how changes relate to CO2. The information is used to suggest that changes in the polar fronts were probably responsible for the observed CO2 changes which are delayed to SST / d18O anomalies across M2.
I am not a data person, so I cannot judge the quality of the data. However, assuming they are ok I try to understand to given story (support for the conclusions) and while I can follow it in principle I have problems in the details. So, therfore, please find my suggestions to improve the text below, which hopefully helps all readers, not only the non-experts, to better follow and understand the content of the paper. Comments are in chronological order.
Reply: We thank the reviewer for the efforts and insights.
- First sentence of abstract: Todays CO2 are above 420 ppm, while for the Pliocene data are still uncertain, ranging from 150 to 450 ppm, as you also show in Fig 4c. So this needs adjustment, or maybe use a different opening.
Reply: There is consensus that the mPWP has time intervals with elevated pCO2, which is above preindustrial level and around modern values. Certainly, there are errors in reconstructions and discrepancies between proxies, but the late Pliocene has been widely recognised as a high-pCO2 period and modelling work has been conducted by using a ~400ppm pCO2, as suggested by the reviewer below.
Proposed changes: “...were probably sometimes similar to...”
line 11: You show new data from one core. One conclusions is, that the subtropical front migrated several times across the core site, placing the site at some times in the subtropical zone, in other times in the subantarctic zone. So your sentence …of the late-Pliocence subantarctic zone… ist not completely correct.
Reply: As shown in Fig.4b, most of the time the STF is located to the south of Site 1168. Only after M2, the STF moved northward and was located very close to the study site. Obviously the STF can never be north of the site, as Australia is in the way. Nevertheless, a northward push of the STF brings the other fronts closer to the site, and that causes stronger influence of those cold waters towards the site, probably via stronger eddy flow and turbulence.
Proposed changes: “..late-Pliocene subtropical/subantarctic zone...”
line 11-12: The fact that the subantarctic zone is nowadays a major ocean sink for CO2 comes from the fact that our anthropogenic emissions have reversed the natural atmosphere-ocean CO2 fluxes. However, it makes little sense to compare fluxes of today (fossil fuel driven, so surface ocean CO2 is a slave to atmospheric CO2) with a natural state (atmospheric CO2 is the gas-phase of the ocean, so dominately oceanic-driven atmopsheirc CO2). More interestingly here would be a comparison with the natural role of the Southern Ocean to CO2 (which is a source in the south, see your Fig 1, process 1, and a sink in the north, Fig 1, process 3). Maybe cite for details in the introduction / main text on this subject also Gruber, N., et al. (2009), Oceanic sources, sinks, and transport of atmospheric CO2, Global Biogeochem. Cycles, 23, GB1005, doi:10.1029/2008GB003349.
Reply: We appreciate the insight provided by the reviewer. However, the role of the SAZ as a carbon sink is not only due to anthropogenic emissions, but also a natural result of intermediate water formation from CO2 deprived water which takes up atmospheric CO2.
Proposed changes: The content about the modern day has been removed in the abstract. But we elaborate this in the introduction by adding “The SAZ is nowadays a major carbon sink as a result of both anthropogenic emissions and natural ocean circulation (Gruber et al., 2009)”:
4. lines 10 and 15: Give the same dates for M2, or better, state it only once at line 10. I do not think ka has to be introduced to the reader of this journal.Reply: Line 10 indicates the peak glaciation of M2 at 3300ka while line 15 indicates the interval across M2.
Proposed changes: We will remove “kiloannum ago”.
5. lines 49ff and Fig 4c: On CO2. I would expect a little more critical discussion of CO2. If I look at the CenCO2PIP 2023 data I also find d11B-based CO2 as low as 220 ppm around M2, something which was also highlighted in Köhler (2023, https://doi.org/10.1029/2022PA004439), who only plotted and analysed d11B-based CO2. This together with the even lower alkenone (here called phytoplankton-based) gives me some difficulties in accepting the statement that Pliocene CO2 was ~400 ppm. Maybe yes, maybe not. I can agree, that the de la Vega et al (2020) data are the highest resolved CO2 data across that interval, so the temporal changes are probably real, but the absolute values to some extend also depends on the calibration (and assumptions made for a 2nd variable of the carbonate system, see Köhler 2023 for discussions, if interested). PLIOMIP1 initally used 405ppm, stating explictly that this should also cover changes in non-CO2 greenhouse gases, such as CH4 and N2O. While I think this statement is somehow lost in PLIOMIP2, it is nevertheless contained there, since CH4 and N2O are fixed at preindustrial values. Furthermore, PLIOMIP3 (Haywood et al., 2024, https://doi.org/10.1016/j.gloplacha.2023.104316) now also added a scenario with 490ppm to account for the finding of Hopcroft et al (2020, https://doi.org/10.1073/pnas.2002320117) of higher CH4 in the Pliocene, adding a radiative forcing of 0.9 W/m^2, or a warming of 0.6-1.0 K. Maybe discuss this more widely in your introduction.
Reply: We agree that the absolute values of pCO2 remain uncertain. However, this manuscript focuses on the (timing of) change in the pCO2 across the M2 which is illustrated by both proxies (Fig. 4c), and how it is related to oceanographic changes. But we will tone it down as follows.Proposed changes: “...400 parts per million (CENCO2PIP CONSORTIUM, 2023; De la Vega et al., 2020), despite there are discrepancies between different proxies and calibrations.”
line 66: … one record… Please added details, which record this is and where.
Proposed changes: “...one record from ODP Site 999, North Atlantic.”
Fig 1: Arrowheads of the CO2 fluxes in Fig 1a are too small. Captions: STZ not explained, while SAZ should be both subtropical and subantarctic zone? I believe the details of the data generation might be better placed in the methods and/or data availability section. What is MODIS-Aqua? I believe there is reference missing for the SST data plotted in Fig 1b.
Proposed changes: We will update the figure and caption as suggested.
8. line 99: Reference missing for modern SST and BWT at site 1168.
Proposed changes: Corresponding references have been added.
line 111: The definition of the STF index is crucial for understanding the paper. Please be more specific how this is calculated. How do the dinocysts enter the index. At best state the used equation.
Reply: The equation is already defined as South of STF/(South plus North of STF). Corresponding species have been introduced in the preceding sentences.
Proposed changes: No changes made.
line 129: what is the sh_655 data set?
Proposed changes: rephrased as “modern distribution”.
line 147: The sentence „3 carbonate standards (ETH-1,2,3)“ is incomplete.
Proposed changes: “Every measurement run included a similar number of samples and 3 carbonate standards (ETH-1, 2, 3) (Kocken et al., 2019). ”
12. line 150: „0.06 permil and 0.06 permil, respectively“ is better described as „0.06 permil in both variables“.Proposed changes: We will correct as suggest by the reviewer as follows: “Both the δ13C and δ18O values (reported relative to the Vienna Pee Dee Belemnite (VPDB) scale) of IAEA-C2 showed an external reproducibility (standard deviation) of 0.06 ‰.”
13. The age model:
1. On fig 3 you only show d18Obf from CENOGRID, but you mentioned also LR04 in line 178. Is the later really used? If so, maybe include in Fig 3, but consider using the update (Prob-stack, Ahn et al., 2017, https://doi.org/10.1093/climsys/dzx002).
Reply: Given the benthic d18O measured in this study, tying to either record will not lead to a significant difference in the age model or influence our conclusion.Proposed changes: We will remove the LR04 citation here.
line 179: „4 solid age points“: well, which ones are they? there are 7 in Fig 2. The reasoning for chosing the age points is not clear to me, e.g. #7 a minima in CENOGRID d18O is tuned to a maximum in d18O from the site, similarly in #4, or is color reflectance more important here (would make sense for #4, but not for #7), but this is not mentioned in Table 1 as such. Please add details. What about the age model previously used for the published SST data of the site (Hou et al., 2023a)? Is it different, why is this not taken here? Maybe add a depth-age plot.
Reply: the age model used in Hou et al., 2023a does not contain robust constrains from HoleA in the Pliocene, and that study focuses on the long-term trend in the Neogene. In order to better constrain the age on Milanković level and discuss the lead-lag relationship between different records, we measured d18O on both benthic foraminifera and bulk sediments. Tie-point #7 is assumed based on a minimum in d18O bulk at 36.8mbsf, as shown in the table. There is indeed a visualization error, and we will fix it.
Proposed changes: “4 age tie points (#3,4,5,6)....MIS G20 (#2)......additional 2 stratigraphic tie points (#1, 7)....”
Proposed changes: We have added a depth-age plot as figure 4.
3. In summary, I have the feeling that the available tie points do not allow for a perfect matching of records. It would be good if you could also state an age uncertainty to the tie points, which would allow to judge how certain the discussed phasing with CO2 is.Reply: Although uncertainties in the age model of Hole A of Site 1168 remain, we are confident of the assignment of the M2 glaciation, and with that, we can confidently link the dinocysts assemblage change to the pCO2 change. Moreover, our observation that dinocysts assemblage changes are not in phase with both SST change at the same site is completely independent of the age model.
Proposed changes: We have explained the age model more in detail, including the uncertainties involved.
Fig 3c: Something is wrong with obliquity (right y-axis), should be around 23°, not around 0.4? Or define precisely, what „obliquity insolation curve“ means. Whatever, a unit in the y-axis label would help.
Reply: The angle is represented by radian, which generally comes without a unit in mathematics. It is the default unit whilst generating with Acycle (Li et al., 2019).
Proposed changes: We will add (radian) next to axis title.
15. SST, lines 189ff: I have problems to bring the text together with Fig 4a. What I see: there is a SST minima in M2 in BAYSPAR (whatever that is, is not discussed) of 9-10°C, mabye after a 5°C cooling, Pre- and post-M2 SST seem to be on average the same, if you write differently you might need to state more clearly the age window you are refering to.Reply: We agree with the reviewer’s description on the SST, which is, in our opinion, in agreement with our description. But we will clarify both the calibrations and SST results in the text.
Proposed changes:
“Section 3.2: SST records of the Pliocene Site 1168 have been previously published (Hou et al., 2023a). SST proxies, Uk’37 and TEX86, were calculated based on alkenones and Glycerol Dialkyl Glycerol Tetraethers (GDGTs) respectively. Uk’37-based SSTs were determined using core top linear calibration (Müller et al., 1998). Uk’37-based SSTs vary around 17 °C prior to MIS M2. They decrease to 12°C at the peak of the MIS M2 glaciation (Fig. 5a). In the mPWP, SST varies around 14 °C, which is approximately 2°C lower than the pre-M2 interval (Fig. 5a). Additionally, SST at KM5c yields 14.5 °C.
TEX86-based SSTs are determined by both core top exponential (TEX86H; Kim et al., 2010) and Bayesian calibration (BAYSPAR; Tierney and Tingley, 2014). In general TEX86-based SSTs resemble those derived from Uk’37 in trend, however, the amplitude of cooling at MIS M2 is ~3°C higher, which we cannot ascribe to confounding factors in TEX86: GDGT-2/GDGT-3 ratios, a general indicator for additional deep-water contributions to TEX86 (Taylor et al., 2013; Ho and Laepple, 2016; van der Weijst et al., 2022), do not change across the MIS M2 (Hou et al., 2023a).”
Fig 4: Please also mark the mPWP in the figure with another vertical bar (as for M2), since you refer to it a lot in the text. You can simplify the legend to Fig 4a: there is only 1 SST from site 959, and that is TEXT86-HL86, so merge green with triangle. All SST records from site 1168 are NOT from „this study“ as said in the legend, but if I understood correctly from Hou et al. (2023a). Fig 4c: Maybe highlight the CO2 data set, that is purely coming from de la Vega et al. (2020), since this was consistently measured on the same site in the same lab. Fig 4a: Why is summer insolation at 80°S plotted, why not at the core site (40°S)?
Reply: We chose to present summer insolation at 80°S based on de Boer et al. (2014), which suggests that Antarctic ice melting is correlated to summer insolation, as in line 281–284.
Proposed changes: Figure updated as suggested.
lines 223:ff: SST, again what is described here seems to disagree with Fig 4a, see #15 above. Maybe more details help.
Proposed changes: Please refer to point 15.
18. lines 238ff: I cannot follow why you deduce that salinity changed. Maybe if the STF index is somehow related to SST or SSS I might be able to follow. Or is it simply: SST is already back to preM2 values after the M2, but the assembly distribution is not, therefore it has to be salinity? I can follow that, but how do you get a precise number of 1.5 psu?Reply: We inferred this from the modern dinocyst distribution model (Thöle et al., 2023), specifically the salinity difference between the modern Nlab cluster and the Iacu cluster, but we agree that the absolute salinity change comes with considerable uncertainty.
Proposed changes: “the surface ocean might have become ~1.5 psu fresher during MIS M2 deglaciation comparing to pre-M2, according to their modern affinities”
19. line 247: What is the „recovery of M2“? After M2 comes the mPWP, no time lag between both.
Reply: We mean the decrease in d18Obf or the deglaciation stage here.
Proposed changes: Rephrased as “During the deglaciation of MIS M2”
line 251: I see that front and SST have a phase lag, since both have been measured on the same core. For the lag with CO2 a statement of age uncertainty is in my view helpful.
Reply: Here we are claiming that the STF is mostly synchronous with pCO2, instead of lagging the other proxy. A lag suggests a delayed response, while we question whether they respond to each other at all.
Proposed changes: We have rephrased as follows “By combining our reconstructed STF migrations with the available pCO2 reconstructions of the late-Pliocene, we note a coincidence that the northernmost position of the STF is likely synchronous with the lowest pCO2, which are both 10–20 kyrs later than MIS M2 (De la Vega et al., 2020).” We will also add δ18O of Site 999 in the last figure.
line 263: „influence the ocean uptake effiency of atmospheric carbon“. I am not sure this is the right wording. The fronts change the air-sea gas exchange of CO2 and eventually the net CO2 flux. What has efficiency to do with it?
Reply: Here we mean that the increased SST and probably salinity will reduce the ocean’s ability of CO2 uptake.
Proposed changes: “The decreased SST and probably salinity should have enhanced the ocean uptake efficiency of atmospheric carbon at MIS M2, which had an negative effect on pCO2, however, is contradictory to the high pCO2 reconstructed.”
line 270ff: „.. enhanced stratification … preventing respired CO2 from outgassing“. I am not sure you can go that far. Your frontal movement showed, that site 1168 was sometimes north/south of the STF. From that and Fig 1a you can say that the oceanic CO2 uptake (process 3) might be changed, so maybe a smaller marine sink. I do not think you can say a lot more on how the other fronts moved and therefore it is hard to see that the conclusion on stratification and the preventing of outgassing respired CO2 is supported, which would be a smaller marine CO2 source. The net effect on CO2 would be the same but for a different reason.
Reply: We disagree with the reviewer at this point. The migration of the STF is a consequence the ACC and thus westerlies; The equatorward shifted westerlies allow more respired CO2 to accumulate in the deep ocean and the same mechanisms are proposed for the Pleistocene glacial-interglacial cycles. (Toggweiler et al., 2006). Evidence of Antarctic ice dynamics have been provided in lines 280–283. We will elaborate in the discussion.
Proposed changes: We elaborated the discussion where necessary. Please refer to Section 4.2 in the revised manuscript.
line 305ff: I am sorry, but I do not see any cooling in BWT in Fig 4e. The data give me more or less a straight line. Furthermore the full citation to Braaten et al (2023) is missing in the reference list, so I cannot check on the details.
Reply: We apologise for the missing reference in the list. The amplitude in BWT can be small. MIS M2 BWT is only 1–2°C cooler than pre-/post- M2, which is the conclusion of the original paper.
Proposed changes: We will update the figure to better illustrate the BWT difference and amend the missing reference
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/cp-2024-33-AC1 - First sentence of abstract: Todays CO2 are above 420 ppm, while for the Pliocene data are still uncertain, ranging from 150 to 450 ppm, as you also show in Fig 4c. So this needs adjustment, or maybe use a different opening.
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Suning Hou, 02 Aug 2024
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RC2: 'Comment on cp-2024-33', Jan Hennissen, 25 Jun 2024
Hou and co-authors present dinoflagellate cyst census counts, benthic δ18O and bulk carbonate stable isotope results obtained from 56 samples covering an interval containing the Pliocene MIS M2 in a single borehole, ODP Site 1168, just west of Tasmania. They complement these results with previously published SST data from the same borehole. They compare their dinoflagellate cyst assemblage compositions to a Southern Hemisphere database detailing the modern distribution pattern of some of the species they encountered in the Pliocene samples. The changes in the composition of the dinoflagellate cyst assemblages are compelling proof of the changing paleoceanographic conditions at ODP Site 1168 during the studied interval. Furthermore, the authors discuss a change in palaeosalinity (“~1.5 psu freshening during the M2 deglaciation”), and a lag pCO2 relative to the benthic foraminiferal δ18O. I find these two findings speculative and I could not find clear evidence for either of those two important claims (see major comments below).
Major Comments
I believe this is a valuable study as it is located in an area with a notable data shortage in Pliocene paleoceanography in general and MIS M2 in specific. However, I believe there are five points in the current iteration of the manuscript that require addressing:
1) Line 239: 1.5 psu? How did the authors come to that exact number? I was always under the impression only relative palaeo-salinity changes can be derived and not absolute values, like the one stated by the authors. This is because the exact composition of the seawater at the time, the Pliocene, is unknown (e.g., Rohling, 2007). The authors refer to the presence of Nematosphaeropsis labyrinthus, a species which is interpreted as an opportunistic taxon which thrives in rapidly changing oceanic conditions (e.g., Eynaud et al., 2004; Penaud et al., 2008). Presumably, it tolerates a wide range of salinities and may be better adjusted to changing salinities than other taxa. However, is it possible to put an exact number in psu based on the relative abundance changes of a single taxon?
2) The authors discuss a lag in pCO2 relative to benthic foraminiferal δ18O, but this is difficult to judge accurately given the unconvincing tie points for the age model presented in Figure 3 and Table 1:
- The authors match peaks and troughs which is a less objective approach to match sinusoidal curves than using the intervals of highest flux (Martinson et al., 1987; Paillard, 1996) which seems to cause mismatches between their bulk carbonate and their δ18O from mundulus (tie points 3, 5 and 6) where peaks in one curve seem to correlate with troughs in the other and vice versa.
- Some of the datapoints for δ18O from mundulus during MIS M2 seems to be outliers (unusually low value), are these a true value and are the authors confident it fits the age model? Because of the lack of any error bars this is hard to judge.
3) The authors directly compare their dinoflagellate cyst assemblages to the modern distribution of some of these taxa. At the very least, some of the caveats in doing this should be acknowledged to inform the reader:
- This assumes the optimum ecological conditions for the considered taxa has not changed, which we know for at least one taxon, pallidum, to be contentious (e.g., De Schepper et al., 2011; Hennissen et al., 2017).
- Lateral transport and reworking of dinoflagellate cysts has been minimal in the studied samples. Is this so for the studied samples in ODP 1168?
- When comparing SST records to changes in dinoflagellate cyst assemblages, it is assumed the biotic carrier at the basis of the SST reconstruction shares the same habitat with the dinoflagellates and both the SST biotic carrier and dinoflagellates have the same seasonality.
4) Line 102: “spiking samples with Lycopodium clavatum”. Why spike the samples if then dinoflagellate cyst concentrations or dinoflagellate cyst burial fluxes are not calculated (I could not find any further results based on the addition of L. clavatum , have I missed this?) ? This could be very enlightening as a proxy for palaeoproductivity, especially when the paleoceanography changes as profoundly as the authors suggest. For most IODP/ODP projects the salt free bulk density is measured which in combination with counts of L. clavatum and dinoflagellate cyst census counts gives you a dinoflagellate cyst burial flux, a rough indicator for palaeoproductivity corrected for sedimentation rate (e.g., Hennissen et al., 2014; Versteegh et al., 1996)
5) This study by Hou et al. shows many parallels to De Schepper et al. (2009) and De Schepper et al. (2013) where a dinoflagellate cyst record is combined with SST measurements and salinity estimates to document paleoceanographic changes over MIS M2. The only difference is the oceanic domain: the current authors focus on the Southern Ocean while De Schepper and co-authors studied the North Atlantic, although they also synthesised their findings in a review paper which includes the Antarctic domain (De Schepper et al., 2014). I find it surprising that the current authors do not compare or contrast their results with those studies given the use of the exact same proxies over the same interval. De Schepper et al. (2013) is only mentioned in passing (line 226) even though those authors clearly articulate potential scenarios for the origins of MIS M2, favouring “a specific forcing, unique within this time period” over astronomical forcing alone.
Minor comments
Line 7: It should be noted that the reason why the Pliocene is an excellent paradigm for end-of-21st century climate is that not only CO2 concentrations and temperatures are comparable to those projected for the end of the century by the IPCC, but certainly as important, especially for a paleoceanographic study, is that the continental configuration was roughly comparable to today’s with some important differences in the Panamanian Isthmus that may have regulated ocean currents (e.g., Driscoll and Haug, 1998; Lunt et al., 2008).
Line 15: I suggest replacing “the M2” with MIS M2 throughout. Also, note the inconsistency here with the date in line 10.
Line 32: “past decades”. Sabine et al. (2004) looked at the period 1800–1994 with some references to the period up to 1999. Since then, nearly three decades passed, invalidating the statement “the past decades”. Maybe refer to Gruber et al. (2023)?
Line 70: I would add ‘current’ or ‘extant’ ahead of ocean carbon sink, because how sure are we it was a major carbon sink during MIS M2?
Line 76–77: is it plausible to fix the latitudinal position of an oceanographic front using a single location/borehole?
Lines 169–173: I think this is great to mention why Hole 1168A is preferred over the composite while warning against this practice when unfamiliar with the study material.
Table 1: Should the source of the first line not be Exon et al., 2001. I understand the tiepoint was chosen by the authors, but they did not generate the data behind it.
Lines 189–195: why is there such a spread in SST in Figure 4?
Line 224: indicate mPWP on Figure 4.
Line 228: SST from the deep ocean? Rephrase.
Lines 228–232: I am lost here. The authors state that M2 does not appear to coincide with a major cooling, which is contradicted by their own study (Hou et al., 2023), the results in Figure 4 and what they write in line 229 (“the extreme SST response to M2…”).
Lines 240–242: is this substantiated by for example an increase in IRD in the core?
Lines 246–247: these appear to be statements of fact not backed up by either observations and calculations or citations. Please amend.
Line 258: which species are they? Discuss (with citations) why they are considered to be warm water taxa.
Line 313: freshened the sea water, not the STF, right? Rephrase.
Just as an aside. When discussing the distribution patterns of dinoflagellates, it would be nice (but not necessary if there are size restrictions) to see a plate depicting the most important dinoflagellate cyst taxa.
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De Schepper, S., et al., 2013. Northern Hemisphere Glaciation during the Globally Warm Early Late Pliocene. PLoS ONE 8, e81508 10.1371/journal.pone.0081508.
De Schepper, S., et al., 2009. North Atlantic Current variability through marine isotope stage M2 (circa 3.3 Ma) during the mid-Pliocene. Paleoceanogr. 24, PA4206 10.1029/2008PA001725.
Driscoll, N.W., Haug, G.H., 1998. A Short Circuit in Thermohaline Circulation: A Cause for Northern Hemisphere Glaciation? Science 282, 436-438 10.1126/science.282.5388.436.
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Hou, S., et al., 2023. Lipid-biomarker-based sea surface temperature record offshore Tasmania over the last 23 million years. Clim. Past 19, 787-802 10.5194/cp-19-787-2023.
Lunt, D.J., et al., 2008. Closure of the Panama Seaway during the Pliocene: implications for climate and Northern Hemisphere glaciation. Climate Dynamics 30, 1-18 10.1007/s00382-007-0265-6.
Martinson, D.G., et al., 1987. Age dating and the orbital theory of the ice ages: development of a high-resolution 0 to 300,000-year chronostratigraphy. Quaternary research 27, 1-29
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Penaud, A., et al., 2008. Interglacial variability (MIS 5 and MIS 7) and dinoflagellate cyst assemblages in the Bay of Biscay (North Atlantic). Mar. Micropaleontol. 68, 136-155 10.1016/j.marmicro.2008.01.007.
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AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Suning Hou, 02 Aug 2024
Hou and co-authors present dinoflagellate cyst census counts, benthic δ18O and bulk carbonate stable isotope results obtained from 56 samples covering an interval containing the Pliocene MIS M2 in a single borehole, ODP Site 1168, just west of Tasmania. They complement these results with previously published SST data from the same borehole. They compare their dinoflagellate cyst assemblage compositions to a Southern Hemisphere database detailing the modern distribution pattern of some of the species they encountered in the Pliocene samples. The changes in the composition of the dinoflagellate cyst assemblages are compelling proof of the changing paleoceanographic conditions at ODP Site 1168 during the studied interval. Furthermore, the authors discuss a change in palaeosalinity (“~1.5 psu freshening during the M2 deglaciation”), and a lag pCO2 relative to the benthic foraminiferal δ18O. I find these two findings speculative and I could not find clear evidence for either of those two important claims (see major comments below).
Reply: We thank the reviewer Jan Hennissen for his constructive comments.
Major Comments
I believe this is a valuable study as it is located in an area with a notable data shortage in Pliocene paleoceanography in general and MIS M2 in specific. However, I believe there are five points in the current iteration of the manuscript that require addressing:
- Line 239: 1.5 psu? How did the authors come to that exact number? I was always under the impression only relative palaeo-salinity changes can be derived and not absolute values, like the one stated by the authors. This is because the exact composition of the seawater at the time, the Pliocene, is unknown (e.g., Rohling, 2007). The authors refer to the presence of Nematosphaeropsis labyrinthus, a species which is interpreted as an opportunistic taxon which thrives in rapidly changing oceanic conditions (e.g., Eynaud et al., 2004; Penaud et al., 2008). Presumably, it tolerates a wide range of salinities and may be better adjusted to changing salinities than other taxa. However, is it possible to put an exact number in psu based on the relative abundance changes of a single taxon?
Reply: We are indeed claiming a relative salinity change: Nlab-cluster is characterized by a lower salinity than high-Oper-cluster. However, as RC1 also doubted that based on the modern dinocysts affinities such exact claims could be made, we decided to tone down to a relative salinity change, specifically a freshening at the M2 deglaciation.
Proposed changes: “the surface ocean might have become ~1.5 psu fresher during MIS M2 deglaciation comparing to pre-M2, according to their modern affinities.”
- The authors discuss a lag in pCO2relative to benthic foraminiferal δ18O, but this is difficult to judge accurately given the unconvincing tie points for the age model presented in Figure 3 and Table 1:The authors match peaks and troughs which is a less objective approach to match sinusoidal curves than using the intervals of highest flux (Martinson et al., 1987; Paillard, 1996) which seems to cause mismatches between their bulk carbonate and their δ18O from mundulus (tie points 3, 5 and 6) where peaks in one curve seem to correlate with troughs in the other and vice versa. Some of the datapoints for δ18O from mundulus during MIS M2 seems to be outliers (unusually low value), are these a true value and are the authors confident it fits the age model? Because of the lack of any error bars this is hard to judge.
Reply: The lag in pCO2 to d18O is found at Site 999 and therefore is not dependent on the age model of Site 1168. As dinocyst data, isotope data and SST data are generated from the same core, the lag of dinocyst assemblage to d18O and SST is not really dependent on the age model either. #3 is a trough in d18Obenthic. #5 indicates troughs in L*, d18Obenthic and d18Obulk. #6 indicates peaks in L*, d18Obenthic and d18Obulk. We are confident on the recognition of the M2 glacial phase. Given the high resolution of L* record, real peaks and troughs can be recognized (#4, 5), thus tying with highest derivative (or slope/or flux as named by the reviewer) would not make huge impact on the phase mismatch between dinocyst and d18Obenthic/SST. But we will try to add slope-based tie-points.
Proposed changes: We will update the age model of Pliocene Site 1168 using slope-based tie-points where possible and present with error bars.
- The authors directly compare their dinoflagellate cyst assemblages to the modern distribution of some of these taxa. At the very least, some of the caveats in doing this should be acknowledged to inform the reader: This assumes the optimum ecological conditions for the considered taxa has not changed, which we know for at least one taxon, pallidum,to be contentious (e.g., De Schepper et al., 2011; Hennissen et al., 2017). Lateral transport and reworking of dinoflagellate cysts has been minimal in the studied samples. Is this so for the studied samples in ODP 1168? When comparing SST records to changes in dinoflagellate cyst assemblages, it is assumed the biotic carrier at the basis of the SST reconstruction shares the same habitat with the dinoflagellates and both the SST biotic carrier and dinoflagellates have the same seasonality.
Reply: We appreciate the concerns raised by the reviewer regarding the ecology of dinocysts. (1). I. pallidum certainly has ambiguous/evolutionary affinities. Given the data generated in the study, the main signal, an alternation between N. labyrinthus and I. aculeatum/O.centrocarpum is clear. Such an alternation obviously indicates distinctive oceanographic conditions based on both the modern Southern Ocean distribution (Thöle et al., 2023) and Pliocene North Atlantic distribution (De Schepper et al., 2011). (2). Given the location of Site 1168, even if lateral transport happened, the site would receive the dinocysts derived from the same oceanic zone. Reworked dinocysts were not noticed, even though there are sporadic Lingulodinium found. (3) Both SST proxies are calibrated to mean annual SST, so are the dinocyst clusters.
Proposed changes: We will discuss about the potential changes in dinocyst affinities and acknowledge to the suggested literatures in section 4.1 as follows. “Our interpretation on dinocyst assemblage is mainly based on its modern distribution (Thöle et al., 2023). An evolutionary affinity of dinocyst assemblage/cluster can potential hamper an absolute quantitative estimation of paleo-oceanic conditions. For example, Impagidinium pallidum is restricted to polar regions in modern ocean (Zonneveld et al., 2013), however, it thrived in lower latitudes in the Neogene and associated with higher SSTs (De Schepper et al., 2011; Hennissen et al., 2017). Given the dinocyst assemblage record found at Site 1168, an alternation from warm (I. aculeatum and O. centrocarpum) to cool (N. labyrinthus) assemblage is distinctive, which was similarly discovered in the Pliocene North Atlantic (De Schepper et al., 2009, 2011).”
- Line 102: “spiking samples with Lycopodium clavatum”. Why spike the samples if then dinoflagellate cyst concentrations or dinoflagellate cyst burial fluxes are not calculated (I could not find any further results based on the addition of clavatum , have I missed this?) ? This could be very enlightening as a proxy for palaeoproductivity, especially when the paleoceanography changes as profoundly as the authors suggest. For most IODP/ODP projects the salt free bulk density is measured which in combination with counts of L. clavatumand dinoflagellate cyst census counts gives you a dinoflagellate cyst burial flux, a rough indicator for palaeoproductivity corrected for sedimentation rate (e.g., Hennissen et al., 2014; Versteegh et al., 1996)
Reply: Indeed, the concentration/flux was not presented. Total concentration of dinocysts remains relatively stable throughput the record, except a substantial increase at 34.05mbsf (~3240 ka).
Proposed changes: We will update the supplementary data with sample weight, dinocyst concentration and flux. We will incorporate the concentration/flux information into supplementary file and results.
- This study by Hou et al. shows many parallels to De Schepper et al. (2009) and De Schepper et al. (2013) where a dinoflagellate cyst record is combined with SST measurements and salinity estimates to document paleoceanographic changes over MIS M2. The only difference is the oceanic domain: the current authors focus on the Southern Ocean while De Schepper and co-authors studied the North Atlantic, although they also synthesised their findings in a review paper which includes the Antarctic domain (De Schepper et al., 2014). I find it surprising that the current authors do not compare or contrast their results with those studies given the use of the exact same proxies over the same interval. De Schepper et al. (2013) is only mentioned in passing (line 226) even though those authors clearly articulate potential scenarios for the origins of MIS M2, favouring “a specific forcing, unique within this time period” over astronomical forcing alone.
Reply: We have carefully read these literatures during our study. As the reviewer mentioned, those studies are focusing on the other side of the earth, thus they were not cited in the first submission. Regarding the forcing of MIS M2, it is still mysterious and requires more investigation. Although De Schepper et al. (2013) has proposed a shallow open Central American Seaway hypothesis, modelling outputs do not support that (Tan et al., 2017; epsl).
Proposed changes: We will cite the suggested literatures, please refer to point 3 above.
Minor comments
Line 7: It should be noted that the reason why the Pliocene is an excellent paradigm for end-of-21st century climate is that not only CO2 concentrations and temperatures are comparable to those projected for the end of the century by the IPCC, but certainly as important, especially for a paleoceanographic study, is that the continental configuration was roughly comparable to today’s with some important differences in the Panamanian Isthmus that may have regulated ocean currents (e.g., Driscoll and Haug, 1998; Lunt et al., 2008).
Reply: We agree with the reviewer that continental configuration is a crucial additional similarity between modern and the Pliocene.
This study focuses on the reason of pCO2 change across MIS M2 thus we only emphasized the similarity in pCO2.
Proposed changes: “...because of the similar orbital and continental configuration as today”
Line 15: I suggest replacing “the M2” with MIS M2 throughout. Also, note the inconsistency here with the date in line 10.
Reply: We have used MIS M2 throughout the manuscript. We have clarified that the latter date indicates the interval across MIS M2, rather than the maximum in d18O.
Proposed changes: Will rephrase as “especially the interval (3320–3260 ka) across MIS M2.” in the abstract
Line 32: “past decades”. Sabine et al. (2004) looked at the period 1800–1994 with some references to the period up to 1999. Since then, nearly three decades passed, invalidating the statement “the past decades”. Maybe refer to Gruber et al. (2023)?
Proposed changes: We will cite both.
Line 70: I would add ‘current’ or ‘extant’ ahead of ocean carbon sink, because how sure are we it was a major carbon sink during MIS M2?
Proposed changes: We will correct as suggested.
Line 76–77: is it plausible to fix the latitudinal position of an oceanographic front using a single location/borehole?
Proposed changes: We will use “migration” instead of “position”.
Lines 169–173: I think this is great to mention why Hole 1168A is preferred over the composite while warning against this practice when unfamiliar with the study material.
Proposed changes: We corrected as follows “...Hole A, which yields the longest extent and best recovery, we decided…”
Table 1: Should the source of the first line not be Exon et al., 2001. I understand the tiepoint was chosen by the authors, but they did not generate the data behind it.
Proposed changes: Source of #1 updated
Lines 189–195: why is there such a spread in SST in Figure 4?
Reply: Fig.4a presents the SSTs from both Site1168 and Site 959. SSTs of Site 1168 consist of 2 proxies (UK’37 and TEX86) and 3 calibrations (2 for TEX86).
Line 224: indicate mPWP on Figure 4.
Proposed changes: We will update the figure as suggested.
Line 228: SST from the deep ocean? Rephrase.
Proposed changes: Will rephrase as “temperature reconstructions”
Lines 228–232: I am lost here. The authors state that M2 does not appear to coincide with a major cooling, which is contradicted by their own study (Hou et al., 2023), the results in Figure 4 and what they write in line 229 (“the extreme SST response to M2…”).
Reply: Combining previous studies and data in this study, there are spatial differences of the temperature change associated with MIS M2. There is little cooling found in the high latitudes, but the cooling in the mid-latitude (Site 1168) is significant.
Lines 240–242: is this substantiated by for example an increase in IRD in the core?
Reply: We did not accurately investigate the presence of IRD in this core. This site was not really in the likely region of IRD delivery. IRD was not noticed during foraminifera sieving and picking. IRD could have been fully released before the ice bergs entered the SAZ. IRD increase can be found in the Antarctic margin as mentioned in section 4.2 (Cook et al., 2013; Patterson et al., 2014). Furthermore, the impact (freshening/cooling) area of iceberg melting is larger that their spatial presence (Merino et al., 2016; https://doi.org/10.1016/j.ocemod.2016.05.001), Site 1168 could have been affected by meltwater even if no IRD is found.
Proposed changes: We have corrected as “we infer that ...which eventually melted in the SAZ or the massive iceberg melting would have impacted larger area than its spatial presence (Merino et al., 2016).”
Lines 246–247: these appear to be statements of fact not backed up by either observations and calculations or citations. Please amend.
Reply: These are inferred based on our dinocyst data.
Proposed changes: We now refer to Fig. 5b.
Line 258: which species are they? Discuss (with citations) why they are considered to be warm water taxa.
Proposed changes: We have updated as following: “... warm species such as O. centrocarpum, I. aculeatum and Spiniferites spp. (Thöle et al., 2023)…”
Line 313: freshened the sea water, not the STF, right? Rephrase.
Proposed changes: We will correct as suggested by the reviewer.
Just as an aside. When discussing the distribution patterns of dinoflagellates, it would be nice (but not necessary if there are size restrictions) to see a plate depicting the most important dinoflagellate cyst taxa.
Proposed changes: We will add a plate as suggested in the supplementary file.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/cp-2024-33-AC2
Status: closed
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CC1: 'Comment on cp-2024-33', Ian Bailey, 15 May 2024
Great study and fascinating work, and I look forward to seeing your work published in CP. Full disclosure; this is a biased comment from a retired academic, but I noticed that you did not cite Kirby et al. (2020; https://doi.org/10.1016/j.quascirev.2020.106644). I thought I'd draw your attention to this work, though, since it was the first study to provide a data-driven discussion and hypothesis on the location and mechanisms involved in marine carbon storage during MIS M2. The ideas we presented in Kirby et al. on this subject are certainly consistent with the conclusions you have drawn.
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AC3: 'Reply on CC1', Suning Hou, 02 Aug 2024
Great study and fascinating work, and I look forward to seeing your work published in CP. Full disclosure; this is a biased comment from a retired academic, but I noticed that you did not cite Kirby et al. (2020; https://doi.org/10.1016/j.quascirev.2020.106644). I thought I'd draw your attention to this work, though, since it was the first study to provide a data-driven discussion and hypothesis on the location and mechanisms involved in marine carbon storage during MIS M2. The ideas we presented in Kirby et al. on this subject are certainly consistent with the conclusions you have drawn.
Reply: We thank CC1 Ian Bailey for his positive comments and kind reminding. But please understand there could be useful literatures oversighted during our study. We have incorporated Kirby et al. (2020) into the revised manuscript.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/cp-2024-33-AC3
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AC3: 'Reply on CC1', Suning Hou, 02 Aug 2024
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RC1: 'Comment on cp-2024-33', Anonymous Referee #1, 12 Jun 2024
This paper presents dinoflagellate cyst assemblages from one sediment core (ODP 1168) off the coast of Tasmania across the M2 glacial interval in the Pliocene. By using modern analogs and available SST and CO2 reconstructions it it then concluded how not only SST but also salinity might have changed and how changes relate to CO2. The information is used to suggest that changes in the polar fronts were probably responsible for the observed CO2 changes which are delayed to SST / d18O anomalies across M2.
I am not a data person, so I cannot judge the quality of the data. However, assuming they are ok I try to understand to given story (support for the conclusions) and while I can follow it in principle I have problems in the details. So, therfore, please find my suggestions to improve the text below, which hopefully helps all readers, not only the non-experts, to better follow and understand the content of the paper. Comments are in chronological order.
1. First sentence of abstract: Todays CO2 are above 420 ppm, while for the Pliocene data are still uncertain, ranging from 150 to 450 ppm, as you also show in Fig 4c. So this needs adjustment, or maybe use a different opening.
2. line 11: You show new data from one core. One conclusions is, that the subtropical front migrated several times across the core site, placing the site at some times in the subtropical zone, in other times in the subantarctic zone. So your sentence …of the late-Pliocence subantarctic zone… ist not completely correct.
3. line 11-12: The fact that the subantarctic zone is nowadays a major ocean sink for CO2 comes from the fact that our anthropogenic emissions have reversed the natural atmosphere-ocean CO2 fluxes. However, it makes little sense to compare fluxes of today (fossil fuel driven, so surface ocean CO2 is a slave to atmospheric CO2) with a natural state (atmospheric CO2 is the gas-phase of the ocean, so dominately oceanic-driven atmopsheirc CO2). More interestingly here would be a comparison with the natural role of the Southern Ocean to CO2 (which is a source in the south, see your Fig 1, process 1, and a sink in the north, Fig 1, process 3). Maybe cite for details in the introduction / main text on this subject also Gruber, N., et al. (2009), Oceanic sources, sinks, and transport of atmospheric CO2, Global Biogeochem. Cycles, 23, GB1005, doi:10.1029/2008GB003349.
4. lines 10 and 15: Give the same dates for M2, or better, state it only once at line 10. I do not think ka has to be introduced to the reader of this journal.
5. lines 49ff and Fig 4c: On CO2. I would expect a little more critical discussion of CO2. If I look at the CenCO2PIP 2023 data I also find d11B-based CO2 as low as 220 ppm around M2, something which was also highlighted in Köhler (2023, https://doi.org/10.1029/2022PA004439), who only plotted and analysed d11B-based CO2. This together with the even lower alkenone (here called phytoplankton-based) gives me some difficulties in accepting the statement that Pliocene CO2 was ~400 ppm. Maybe yes, maybe not. I can agree, that the de la Vega et al (2020) data are the highest resolved CO2 data across that interval, so the temporal changes are probably real, but the absolute values to some extend also depends on the calibration (and assumptions made for a 2nd variable of the carbonate system, see Köhler 2023 for discussions, if interested). PLIOMIP1 initally used 405ppm, stating explictly that this should also cover changes in non-CO2 greenhouse gases, such as CH4 and N2O. While I think this statement is somehow lost in PLIOMIP2, it is nevertheless contained there, since CH4 and N2O are fixed at preindustrial values. Furthermore, PLIOMIP3 (Haywood et al., 2024, https://doi.org/10.1016/j.gloplacha.2023.104316) now also added a scenario with 490ppm to account for the finding of Hopcroft et al (2020, https://doi.org/10.1073/pnas.2002320117) of higher CH4 in the Pliocene, adding a radiative forcing of 0.9 W/m^2, or a warming of 0.6-1.0 K. Maybe discuss this more widely in your introduction.
6. line 66: … one record… Please added details, which record this is and where.
7. Fig 1: Arrowheads of the CO2 fluxes in Fig 1a are too small. Captions: STZ not explained, while SAZ should be both subtropical and subantarctic zone? I believe the details of the data generation might be better placed in the methods and/or data availability section. What is MODIS-Aqua? I believe there is reference missing for the SST data plotted in Fig 1b.
8. line 99: Reference missing for modern SST and BWT at site 1168.
9. line 111: The definition of the STF index is crucial for understanding the paper. Please be more specific how this is calculated. How do the dinocysts enter the index. At best state the used equation.
10. line 129: what is the sh_655 data set?
11. line 147: The sentence „3 carbonate standards (ETH-1,2,3)“ is incomplete.
12. line 150: „0.06 permil and 0.06 permil, respectively“ is better described as „0.06 permil in both variables“.
13. The age model:
1. On fig 3 you only show d18Obf from CENOGRID, but you mentioned also LR04 in line 178. Is the later really used? If so, maybe include in Fig 3, but consider using the update (Prob-stack, Ahn et al., 2017, https://doi.org/10.1093/climsys/dzx002).
2. line 179: „4 solid age points“: well, which ones are they? there are 7 in Fig 2. The reasoning for chosing the age points is not clear to me, e.g. #7 a minima in CENOGRID d18O is tuned to a maximum in d18O from the site, similarly in #4, or is color reflectance more important here (would make sense for #4, but not for #7), but this is not mentioned in Table 1 as such. Please add details. What about the age model previously used for the published SST data of the site (Hou et al., 2023a)? Is it different, why is this not taken here? Maybe add a depth-age plot.
3. In summary, I have the feeling that the available tie points do not allow for a perfect matching of records. It would be good if you could also state an age uncertainty to the tie points, which would allow to judge how certain the discussed phasing with CO2 is.
14. Fig 3c: Something is wrong with obliquity (right y-axis), should be around 23°, not around 0.4? Or define precisely, what „obliquity insolation curve“ means. Whatever, a unit in the y-axis label would help.
15. SST, lines 189ff: I have problems to bring the text together with Fig 4a. What I see: there is a SST minima in M2 in BAYSPAR (whatever that is, is not discussed) of 9-10°C, mabye after a 5°C cooling, Pre- and post-M2 SST seem to be on average the same, if you write differently you might need to state more clearly the age window you are refering to.
16. Fig 4: Please also mark the mPWP in the figure with another vertical bar (as for M2), since you refer to it a lot in the text. You can simplify the legend to Fig 4a: there is only 1 SST from site 959, and that is TEXT86-HL86, so merge green with triangle. All SST records from site 1168 are NOT from „this study“ as said in the legend, but if I understood correctly from Hou et al. (2023a). Fig 4c: Maybe highlight the CO2 data set, that is purely coming from de la Vega et al. (2020), since this was consistently measured on the same site in the same lab. Fig 4a: Why is summer insolation at 80°S plotted, why not at the core site (40°S)?
17. lines 223:ff: SST, again what is described here seems to disagree with Fig 4a, see #15 above. Maybe more details help.
18. lines 238ff: I cannot follow why you deduce that salinity changed. Maybe if the STF index is somehow related to SST or SSS I might be able to follow. Or is it simply: SST is already back to preM2 values after the M2, but the assembly distribution is not, therefore it has to be salinity? I can follow that, but how do you get a precise number of 1.5 psu?
19. line 247: What is the „recovery of M2“? After M2 comes the mPWP, no time lag between both.
20. line 251: I see that front and SST have a phase lag, since both have been measured on the same core. For the lag with CO2 a statement of age uncertainty is in my view helpful.
21. line 263: „influence the ocean uptake effiency of atmospheric carbon“. I am not sure this is the right wording. The fronts change the air-sea gas exchange of CO2 and eventually the net CO2 flux. What has efficiency to do with it?
22. line 270ff: „.. enhanced stratification … preventing respired CO2 from outgassing“. I am not sure you can go that far. Your frontal movement showed, that site 1168 was sometimes north/south of the STF. From that and Fig 1a you can say that the oceanic CO2 uptake (process 3) might be changed, so maybe a smaller marine sink. I do not think you can say a lot more on how the other fronts moved and therefore it is hard to see that the conclusion on stratification and the preventing of outgassing respired CO2 is supported, which would be a smaller marine CO2 source. The net effect on CO2 would be the same but for a different reason.
23. line 305ff: I am sorry, but I do not see any cooling in BWT in Fig 4e. The data give me more or less a straight line. Furthermore the full citation to Braaten et al (2023) is missing in the reference list, so I cannot check on the details.Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/cp-2024-33-RC1 -
AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Suning Hou, 02 Aug 2024
This paper presents dinoflagellate cyst assemblages from one sediment core (ODP 1168) off the coast of Tasmania across the M2 glacial interval in the Pliocene. By using modern analogs and available SST and CO2 reconstructions it it then concluded how not only SST but also salinity might have changed and how changes relate to CO2. The information is used to suggest that changes in the polar fronts were probably responsible for the observed CO2 changes which are delayed to SST / d18O anomalies across M2.
I am not a data person, so I cannot judge the quality of the data. However, assuming they are ok I try to understand to given story (support for the conclusions) and while I can follow it in principle I have problems in the details. So, therfore, please find my suggestions to improve the text below, which hopefully helps all readers, not only the non-experts, to better follow and understand the content of the paper. Comments are in chronological order.
Reply: We thank the reviewer for the efforts and insights.
- First sentence of abstract: Todays CO2 are above 420 ppm, while for the Pliocene data are still uncertain, ranging from 150 to 450 ppm, as you also show in Fig 4c. So this needs adjustment, or maybe use a different opening.
Reply: There is consensus that the mPWP has time intervals with elevated pCO2, which is above preindustrial level and around modern values. Certainly, there are errors in reconstructions and discrepancies between proxies, but the late Pliocene has been widely recognised as a high-pCO2 period and modelling work has been conducted by using a ~400ppm pCO2, as suggested by the reviewer below.
Proposed changes: “...were probably sometimes similar to...”
line 11: You show new data from one core. One conclusions is, that the subtropical front migrated several times across the core site, placing the site at some times in the subtropical zone, in other times in the subantarctic zone. So your sentence …of the late-Pliocence subantarctic zone… ist not completely correct.
Reply: As shown in Fig.4b, most of the time the STF is located to the south of Site 1168. Only after M2, the STF moved northward and was located very close to the study site. Obviously the STF can never be north of the site, as Australia is in the way. Nevertheless, a northward push of the STF brings the other fronts closer to the site, and that causes stronger influence of those cold waters towards the site, probably via stronger eddy flow and turbulence.
Proposed changes: “..late-Pliocene subtropical/subantarctic zone...”
line 11-12: The fact that the subantarctic zone is nowadays a major ocean sink for CO2 comes from the fact that our anthropogenic emissions have reversed the natural atmosphere-ocean CO2 fluxes. However, it makes little sense to compare fluxes of today (fossil fuel driven, so surface ocean CO2 is a slave to atmospheric CO2) with a natural state (atmospheric CO2 is the gas-phase of the ocean, so dominately oceanic-driven atmopsheirc CO2). More interestingly here would be a comparison with the natural role of the Southern Ocean to CO2 (which is a source in the south, see your Fig 1, process 1, and a sink in the north, Fig 1, process 3). Maybe cite for details in the introduction / main text on this subject also Gruber, N., et al. (2009), Oceanic sources, sinks, and transport of atmospheric CO2, Global Biogeochem. Cycles, 23, GB1005, doi:10.1029/2008GB003349.
Reply: We appreciate the insight provided by the reviewer. However, the role of the SAZ as a carbon sink is not only due to anthropogenic emissions, but also a natural result of intermediate water formation from CO2 deprived water which takes up atmospheric CO2.
Proposed changes: The content about the modern day has been removed in the abstract. But we elaborate this in the introduction by adding “The SAZ is nowadays a major carbon sink as a result of both anthropogenic emissions and natural ocean circulation (Gruber et al., 2009)”:
4. lines 10 and 15: Give the same dates for M2, or better, state it only once at line 10. I do not think ka has to be introduced to the reader of this journal.Reply: Line 10 indicates the peak glaciation of M2 at 3300ka while line 15 indicates the interval across M2.
Proposed changes: We will remove “kiloannum ago”.
5. lines 49ff and Fig 4c: On CO2. I would expect a little more critical discussion of CO2. If I look at the CenCO2PIP 2023 data I also find d11B-based CO2 as low as 220 ppm around M2, something which was also highlighted in Köhler (2023, https://doi.org/10.1029/2022PA004439), who only plotted and analysed d11B-based CO2. This together with the even lower alkenone (here called phytoplankton-based) gives me some difficulties in accepting the statement that Pliocene CO2 was ~400 ppm. Maybe yes, maybe not. I can agree, that the de la Vega et al (2020) data are the highest resolved CO2 data across that interval, so the temporal changes are probably real, but the absolute values to some extend also depends on the calibration (and assumptions made for a 2nd variable of the carbonate system, see Köhler 2023 for discussions, if interested). PLIOMIP1 initally used 405ppm, stating explictly that this should also cover changes in non-CO2 greenhouse gases, such as CH4 and N2O. While I think this statement is somehow lost in PLIOMIP2, it is nevertheless contained there, since CH4 and N2O are fixed at preindustrial values. Furthermore, PLIOMIP3 (Haywood et al., 2024, https://doi.org/10.1016/j.gloplacha.2023.104316) now also added a scenario with 490ppm to account for the finding of Hopcroft et al (2020, https://doi.org/10.1073/pnas.2002320117) of higher CH4 in the Pliocene, adding a radiative forcing of 0.9 W/m^2, or a warming of 0.6-1.0 K. Maybe discuss this more widely in your introduction.
Reply: We agree that the absolute values of pCO2 remain uncertain. However, this manuscript focuses on the (timing of) change in the pCO2 across the M2 which is illustrated by both proxies (Fig. 4c), and how it is related to oceanographic changes. But we will tone it down as follows.Proposed changes: “...400 parts per million (CENCO2PIP CONSORTIUM, 2023; De la Vega et al., 2020), despite there are discrepancies between different proxies and calibrations.”
line 66: … one record… Please added details, which record this is and where.
Proposed changes: “...one record from ODP Site 999, North Atlantic.”
Fig 1: Arrowheads of the CO2 fluxes in Fig 1a are too small. Captions: STZ not explained, while SAZ should be both subtropical and subantarctic zone? I believe the details of the data generation might be better placed in the methods and/or data availability section. What is MODIS-Aqua? I believe there is reference missing for the SST data plotted in Fig 1b.
Proposed changes: We will update the figure and caption as suggested.
8. line 99: Reference missing for modern SST and BWT at site 1168.
Proposed changes: Corresponding references have been added.
line 111: The definition of the STF index is crucial for understanding the paper. Please be more specific how this is calculated. How do the dinocysts enter the index. At best state the used equation.
Reply: The equation is already defined as South of STF/(South plus North of STF). Corresponding species have been introduced in the preceding sentences.
Proposed changes: No changes made.
line 129: what is the sh_655 data set?
Proposed changes: rephrased as “modern distribution”.
line 147: The sentence „3 carbonate standards (ETH-1,2,3)“ is incomplete.
Proposed changes: “Every measurement run included a similar number of samples and 3 carbonate standards (ETH-1, 2, 3) (Kocken et al., 2019). ”
12. line 150: „0.06 permil and 0.06 permil, respectively“ is better described as „0.06 permil in both variables“.Proposed changes: We will correct as suggest by the reviewer as follows: “Both the δ13C and δ18O values (reported relative to the Vienna Pee Dee Belemnite (VPDB) scale) of IAEA-C2 showed an external reproducibility (standard deviation) of 0.06 ‰.”
13. The age model:
1. On fig 3 you only show d18Obf from CENOGRID, but you mentioned also LR04 in line 178. Is the later really used? If so, maybe include in Fig 3, but consider using the update (Prob-stack, Ahn et al., 2017, https://doi.org/10.1093/climsys/dzx002).
Reply: Given the benthic d18O measured in this study, tying to either record will not lead to a significant difference in the age model or influence our conclusion.Proposed changes: We will remove the LR04 citation here.
line 179: „4 solid age points“: well, which ones are they? there are 7 in Fig 2. The reasoning for chosing the age points is not clear to me, e.g. #7 a minima in CENOGRID d18O is tuned to a maximum in d18O from the site, similarly in #4, or is color reflectance more important here (would make sense for #4, but not for #7), but this is not mentioned in Table 1 as such. Please add details. What about the age model previously used for the published SST data of the site (Hou et al., 2023a)? Is it different, why is this not taken here? Maybe add a depth-age plot.
Reply: the age model used in Hou et al., 2023a does not contain robust constrains from HoleA in the Pliocene, and that study focuses on the long-term trend in the Neogene. In order to better constrain the age on Milanković level and discuss the lead-lag relationship between different records, we measured d18O on both benthic foraminifera and bulk sediments. Tie-point #7 is assumed based on a minimum in d18O bulk at 36.8mbsf, as shown in the table. There is indeed a visualization error, and we will fix it.
Proposed changes: “4 age tie points (#3,4,5,6)....MIS G20 (#2)......additional 2 stratigraphic tie points (#1, 7)....”
Proposed changes: We have added a depth-age plot as figure 4.
3. In summary, I have the feeling that the available tie points do not allow for a perfect matching of records. It would be good if you could also state an age uncertainty to the tie points, which would allow to judge how certain the discussed phasing with CO2 is.Reply: Although uncertainties in the age model of Hole A of Site 1168 remain, we are confident of the assignment of the M2 glaciation, and with that, we can confidently link the dinocysts assemblage change to the pCO2 change. Moreover, our observation that dinocysts assemblage changes are not in phase with both SST change at the same site is completely independent of the age model.
Proposed changes: We have explained the age model more in detail, including the uncertainties involved.
Fig 3c: Something is wrong with obliquity (right y-axis), should be around 23°, not around 0.4? Or define precisely, what „obliquity insolation curve“ means. Whatever, a unit in the y-axis label would help.
Reply: The angle is represented by radian, which generally comes without a unit in mathematics. It is the default unit whilst generating with Acycle (Li et al., 2019).
Proposed changes: We will add (radian) next to axis title.
15. SST, lines 189ff: I have problems to bring the text together with Fig 4a. What I see: there is a SST minima in M2 in BAYSPAR (whatever that is, is not discussed) of 9-10°C, mabye after a 5°C cooling, Pre- and post-M2 SST seem to be on average the same, if you write differently you might need to state more clearly the age window you are refering to.Reply: We agree with the reviewer’s description on the SST, which is, in our opinion, in agreement with our description. But we will clarify both the calibrations and SST results in the text.
Proposed changes:
“Section 3.2: SST records of the Pliocene Site 1168 have been previously published (Hou et al., 2023a). SST proxies, Uk’37 and TEX86, were calculated based on alkenones and Glycerol Dialkyl Glycerol Tetraethers (GDGTs) respectively. Uk’37-based SSTs were determined using core top linear calibration (Müller et al., 1998). Uk’37-based SSTs vary around 17 °C prior to MIS M2. They decrease to 12°C at the peak of the MIS M2 glaciation (Fig. 5a). In the mPWP, SST varies around 14 °C, which is approximately 2°C lower than the pre-M2 interval (Fig. 5a). Additionally, SST at KM5c yields 14.5 °C.
TEX86-based SSTs are determined by both core top exponential (TEX86H; Kim et al., 2010) and Bayesian calibration (BAYSPAR; Tierney and Tingley, 2014). In general TEX86-based SSTs resemble those derived from Uk’37 in trend, however, the amplitude of cooling at MIS M2 is ~3°C higher, which we cannot ascribe to confounding factors in TEX86: GDGT-2/GDGT-3 ratios, a general indicator for additional deep-water contributions to TEX86 (Taylor et al., 2013; Ho and Laepple, 2016; van der Weijst et al., 2022), do not change across the MIS M2 (Hou et al., 2023a).”
Fig 4: Please also mark the mPWP in the figure with another vertical bar (as for M2), since you refer to it a lot in the text. You can simplify the legend to Fig 4a: there is only 1 SST from site 959, and that is TEXT86-HL86, so merge green with triangle. All SST records from site 1168 are NOT from „this study“ as said in the legend, but if I understood correctly from Hou et al. (2023a). Fig 4c: Maybe highlight the CO2 data set, that is purely coming from de la Vega et al. (2020), since this was consistently measured on the same site in the same lab. Fig 4a: Why is summer insolation at 80°S plotted, why not at the core site (40°S)?
Reply: We chose to present summer insolation at 80°S based on de Boer et al. (2014), which suggests that Antarctic ice melting is correlated to summer insolation, as in line 281–284.
Proposed changes: Figure updated as suggested.
lines 223:ff: SST, again what is described here seems to disagree with Fig 4a, see #15 above. Maybe more details help.
Proposed changes: Please refer to point 15.
18. lines 238ff: I cannot follow why you deduce that salinity changed. Maybe if the STF index is somehow related to SST or SSS I might be able to follow. Or is it simply: SST is already back to preM2 values after the M2, but the assembly distribution is not, therefore it has to be salinity? I can follow that, but how do you get a precise number of 1.5 psu?Reply: We inferred this from the modern dinocyst distribution model (Thöle et al., 2023), specifically the salinity difference between the modern Nlab cluster and the Iacu cluster, but we agree that the absolute salinity change comes with considerable uncertainty.
Proposed changes: “the surface ocean might have become ~1.5 psu fresher during MIS M2 deglaciation comparing to pre-M2, according to their modern affinities”
19. line 247: What is the „recovery of M2“? After M2 comes the mPWP, no time lag between both.
Reply: We mean the decrease in d18Obf or the deglaciation stage here.
Proposed changes: Rephrased as “During the deglaciation of MIS M2”
line 251: I see that front and SST have a phase lag, since both have been measured on the same core. For the lag with CO2 a statement of age uncertainty is in my view helpful.
Reply: Here we are claiming that the STF is mostly synchronous with pCO2, instead of lagging the other proxy. A lag suggests a delayed response, while we question whether they respond to each other at all.
Proposed changes: We have rephrased as follows “By combining our reconstructed STF migrations with the available pCO2 reconstructions of the late-Pliocene, we note a coincidence that the northernmost position of the STF is likely synchronous with the lowest pCO2, which are both 10–20 kyrs later than MIS M2 (De la Vega et al., 2020).” We will also add δ18O of Site 999 in the last figure.
line 263: „influence the ocean uptake effiency of atmospheric carbon“. I am not sure this is the right wording. The fronts change the air-sea gas exchange of CO2 and eventually the net CO2 flux. What has efficiency to do with it?
Reply: Here we mean that the increased SST and probably salinity will reduce the ocean’s ability of CO2 uptake.
Proposed changes: “The decreased SST and probably salinity should have enhanced the ocean uptake efficiency of atmospheric carbon at MIS M2, which had an negative effect on pCO2, however, is contradictory to the high pCO2 reconstructed.”
line 270ff: „.. enhanced stratification … preventing respired CO2 from outgassing“. I am not sure you can go that far. Your frontal movement showed, that site 1168 was sometimes north/south of the STF. From that and Fig 1a you can say that the oceanic CO2 uptake (process 3) might be changed, so maybe a smaller marine sink. I do not think you can say a lot more on how the other fronts moved and therefore it is hard to see that the conclusion on stratification and the preventing of outgassing respired CO2 is supported, which would be a smaller marine CO2 source. The net effect on CO2 would be the same but for a different reason.
Reply: We disagree with the reviewer at this point. The migration of the STF is a consequence the ACC and thus westerlies; The equatorward shifted westerlies allow more respired CO2 to accumulate in the deep ocean and the same mechanisms are proposed for the Pleistocene glacial-interglacial cycles. (Toggweiler et al., 2006). Evidence of Antarctic ice dynamics have been provided in lines 280–283. We will elaborate in the discussion.
Proposed changes: We elaborated the discussion where necessary. Please refer to Section 4.2 in the revised manuscript.
line 305ff: I am sorry, but I do not see any cooling in BWT in Fig 4e. The data give me more or less a straight line. Furthermore the full citation to Braaten et al (2023) is missing in the reference list, so I cannot check on the details.
Reply: We apologise for the missing reference in the list. The amplitude in BWT can be small. MIS M2 BWT is only 1–2°C cooler than pre-/post- M2, which is the conclusion of the original paper.
Proposed changes: We will update the figure to better illustrate the BWT difference and amend the missing reference
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/cp-2024-33-AC1 - First sentence of abstract: Todays CO2 are above 420 ppm, while for the Pliocene data are still uncertain, ranging from 150 to 450 ppm, as you also show in Fig 4c. So this needs adjustment, or maybe use a different opening.
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Suning Hou, 02 Aug 2024
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RC2: 'Comment on cp-2024-33', Jan Hennissen, 25 Jun 2024
Hou and co-authors present dinoflagellate cyst census counts, benthic δ18O and bulk carbonate stable isotope results obtained from 56 samples covering an interval containing the Pliocene MIS M2 in a single borehole, ODP Site 1168, just west of Tasmania. They complement these results with previously published SST data from the same borehole. They compare their dinoflagellate cyst assemblage compositions to a Southern Hemisphere database detailing the modern distribution pattern of some of the species they encountered in the Pliocene samples. The changes in the composition of the dinoflagellate cyst assemblages are compelling proof of the changing paleoceanographic conditions at ODP Site 1168 during the studied interval. Furthermore, the authors discuss a change in palaeosalinity (“~1.5 psu freshening during the M2 deglaciation”), and a lag pCO2 relative to the benthic foraminiferal δ18O. I find these two findings speculative and I could not find clear evidence for either of those two important claims (see major comments below).
Major Comments
I believe this is a valuable study as it is located in an area with a notable data shortage in Pliocene paleoceanography in general and MIS M2 in specific. However, I believe there are five points in the current iteration of the manuscript that require addressing:
1) Line 239: 1.5 psu? How did the authors come to that exact number? I was always under the impression only relative palaeo-salinity changes can be derived and not absolute values, like the one stated by the authors. This is because the exact composition of the seawater at the time, the Pliocene, is unknown (e.g., Rohling, 2007). The authors refer to the presence of Nematosphaeropsis labyrinthus, a species which is interpreted as an opportunistic taxon which thrives in rapidly changing oceanic conditions (e.g., Eynaud et al., 2004; Penaud et al., 2008). Presumably, it tolerates a wide range of salinities and may be better adjusted to changing salinities than other taxa. However, is it possible to put an exact number in psu based on the relative abundance changes of a single taxon?
2) The authors discuss a lag in pCO2 relative to benthic foraminiferal δ18O, but this is difficult to judge accurately given the unconvincing tie points for the age model presented in Figure 3 and Table 1:
- The authors match peaks and troughs which is a less objective approach to match sinusoidal curves than using the intervals of highest flux (Martinson et al., 1987; Paillard, 1996) which seems to cause mismatches between their bulk carbonate and their δ18O from mundulus (tie points 3, 5 and 6) where peaks in one curve seem to correlate with troughs in the other and vice versa.
- Some of the datapoints for δ18O from mundulus during MIS M2 seems to be outliers (unusually low value), are these a true value and are the authors confident it fits the age model? Because of the lack of any error bars this is hard to judge.
3) The authors directly compare their dinoflagellate cyst assemblages to the modern distribution of some of these taxa. At the very least, some of the caveats in doing this should be acknowledged to inform the reader:
- This assumes the optimum ecological conditions for the considered taxa has not changed, which we know for at least one taxon, pallidum, to be contentious (e.g., De Schepper et al., 2011; Hennissen et al., 2017).
- Lateral transport and reworking of dinoflagellate cysts has been minimal in the studied samples. Is this so for the studied samples in ODP 1168?
- When comparing SST records to changes in dinoflagellate cyst assemblages, it is assumed the biotic carrier at the basis of the SST reconstruction shares the same habitat with the dinoflagellates and both the SST biotic carrier and dinoflagellates have the same seasonality.
4) Line 102: “spiking samples with Lycopodium clavatum”. Why spike the samples if then dinoflagellate cyst concentrations or dinoflagellate cyst burial fluxes are not calculated (I could not find any further results based on the addition of L. clavatum , have I missed this?) ? This could be very enlightening as a proxy for palaeoproductivity, especially when the paleoceanography changes as profoundly as the authors suggest. For most IODP/ODP projects the salt free bulk density is measured which in combination with counts of L. clavatum and dinoflagellate cyst census counts gives you a dinoflagellate cyst burial flux, a rough indicator for palaeoproductivity corrected for sedimentation rate (e.g., Hennissen et al., 2014; Versteegh et al., 1996)
5) This study by Hou et al. shows many parallels to De Schepper et al. (2009) and De Schepper et al. (2013) where a dinoflagellate cyst record is combined with SST measurements and salinity estimates to document paleoceanographic changes over MIS M2. The only difference is the oceanic domain: the current authors focus on the Southern Ocean while De Schepper and co-authors studied the North Atlantic, although they also synthesised their findings in a review paper which includes the Antarctic domain (De Schepper et al., 2014). I find it surprising that the current authors do not compare or contrast their results with those studies given the use of the exact same proxies over the same interval. De Schepper et al. (2013) is only mentioned in passing (line 226) even though those authors clearly articulate potential scenarios for the origins of MIS M2, favouring “a specific forcing, unique within this time period” over astronomical forcing alone.
Minor comments
Line 7: It should be noted that the reason why the Pliocene is an excellent paradigm for end-of-21st century climate is that not only CO2 concentrations and temperatures are comparable to those projected for the end of the century by the IPCC, but certainly as important, especially for a paleoceanographic study, is that the continental configuration was roughly comparable to today’s with some important differences in the Panamanian Isthmus that may have regulated ocean currents (e.g., Driscoll and Haug, 1998; Lunt et al., 2008).
Line 15: I suggest replacing “the M2” with MIS M2 throughout. Also, note the inconsistency here with the date in line 10.
Line 32: “past decades”. Sabine et al. (2004) looked at the period 1800–1994 with some references to the period up to 1999. Since then, nearly three decades passed, invalidating the statement “the past decades”. Maybe refer to Gruber et al. (2023)?
Line 70: I would add ‘current’ or ‘extant’ ahead of ocean carbon sink, because how sure are we it was a major carbon sink during MIS M2?
Line 76–77: is it plausible to fix the latitudinal position of an oceanographic front using a single location/borehole?
Lines 169–173: I think this is great to mention why Hole 1168A is preferred over the composite while warning against this practice when unfamiliar with the study material.
Table 1: Should the source of the first line not be Exon et al., 2001. I understand the tiepoint was chosen by the authors, but they did not generate the data behind it.
Lines 189–195: why is there such a spread in SST in Figure 4?
Line 224: indicate mPWP on Figure 4.
Line 228: SST from the deep ocean? Rephrase.
Lines 228–232: I am lost here. The authors state that M2 does not appear to coincide with a major cooling, which is contradicted by their own study (Hou et al., 2023), the results in Figure 4 and what they write in line 229 (“the extreme SST response to M2…”).
Lines 240–242: is this substantiated by for example an increase in IRD in the core?
Lines 246–247: these appear to be statements of fact not backed up by either observations and calculations or citations. Please amend.
Line 258: which species are they? Discuss (with citations) why they are considered to be warm water taxa.
Line 313: freshened the sea water, not the STF, right? Rephrase.
Just as an aside. When discussing the distribution patterns of dinoflagellates, it would be nice (but not necessary if there are size restrictions) to see a plate depicting the most important dinoflagellate cyst taxa.
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AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Suning Hou, 02 Aug 2024
Hou and co-authors present dinoflagellate cyst census counts, benthic δ18O and bulk carbonate stable isotope results obtained from 56 samples covering an interval containing the Pliocene MIS M2 in a single borehole, ODP Site 1168, just west of Tasmania. They complement these results with previously published SST data from the same borehole. They compare their dinoflagellate cyst assemblage compositions to a Southern Hemisphere database detailing the modern distribution pattern of some of the species they encountered in the Pliocene samples. The changes in the composition of the dinoflagellate cyst assemblages are compelling proof of the changing paleoceanographic conditions at ODP Site 1168 during the studied interval. Furthermore, the authors discuss a change in palaeosalinity (“~1.5 psu freshening during the M2 deglaciation”), and a lag pCO2 relative to the benthic foraminiferal δ18O. I find these two findings speculative and I could not find clear evidence for either of those two important claims (see major comments below).
Reply: We thank the reviewer Jan Hennissen for his constructive comments.
Major Comments
I believe this is a valuable study as it is located in an area with a notable data shortage in Pliocene paleoceanography in general and MIS M2 in specific. However, I believe there are five points in the current iteration of the manuscript that require addressing:
- Line 239: 1.5 psu? How did the authors come to that exact number? I was always under the impression only relative palaeo-salinity changes can be derived and not absolute values, like the one stated by the authors. This is because the exact composition of the seawater at the time, the Pliocene, is unknown (e.g., Rohling, 2007). The authors refer to the presence of Nematosphaeropsis labyrinthus, a species which is interpreted as an opportunistic taxon which thrives in rapidly changing oceanic conditions (e.g., Eynaud et al., 2004; Penaud et al., 2008). Presumably, it tolerates a wide range of salinities and may be better adjusted to changing salinities than other taxa. However, is it possible to put an exact number in psu based on the relative abundance changes of a single taxon?
Reply: We are indeed claiming a relative salinity change: Nlab-cluster is characterized by a lower salinity than high-Oper-cluster. However, as RC1 also doubted that based on the modern dinocysts affinities such exact claims could be made, we decided to tone down to a relative salinity change, specifically a freshening at the M2 deglaciation.
Proposed changes: “the surface ocean might have become ~1.5 psu fresher during MIS M2 deglaciation comparing to pre-M2, according to their modern affinities.”
- The authors discuss a lag in pCO2relative to benthic foraminiferal δ18O, but this is difficult to judge accurately given the unconvincing tie points for the age model presented in Figure 3 and Table 1:The authors match peaks and troughs which is a less objective approach to match sinusoidal curves than using the intervals of highest flux (Martinson et al., 1987; Paillard, 1996) which seems to cause mismatches between their bulk carbonate and their δ18O from mundulus (tie points 3, 5 and 6) where peaks in one curve seem to correlate with troughs in the other and vice versa. Some of the datapoints for δ18O from mundulus during MIS M2 seems to be outliers (unusually low value), are these a true value and are the authors confident it fits the age model? Because of the lack of any error bars this is hard to judge.
Reply: The lag in pCO2 to d18O is found at Site 999 and therefore is not dependent on the age model of Site 1168. As dinocyst data, isotope data and SST data are generated from the same core, the lag of dinocyst assemblage to d18O and SST is not really dependent on the age model either. #3 is a trough in d18Obenthic. #5 indicates troughs in L*, d18Obenthic and d18Obulk. #6 indicates peaks in L*, d18Obenthic and d18Obulk. We are confident on the recognition of the M2 glacial phase. Given the high resolution of L* record, real peaks and troughs can be recognized (#4, 5), thus tying with highest derivative (or slope/or flux as named by the reviewer) would not make huge impact on the phase mismatch between dinocyst and d18Obenthic/SST. But we will try to add slope-based tie-points.
Proposed changes: We will update the age model of Pliocene Site 1168 using slope-based tie-points where possible and present with error bars.
- The authors directly compare their dinoflagellate cyst assemblages to the modern distribution of some of these taxa. At the very least, some of the caveats in doing this should be acknowledged to inform the reader: This assumes the optimum ecological conditions for the considered taxa has not changed, which we know for at least one taxon, pallidum,to be contentious (e.g., De Schepper et al., 2011; Hennissen et al., 2017). Lateral transport and reworking of dinoflagellate cysts has been minimal in the studied samples. Is this so for the studied samples in ODP 1168? When comparing SST records to changes in dinoflagellate cyst assemblages, it is assumed the biotic carrier at the basis of the SST reconstruction shares the same habitat with the dinoflagellates and both the SST biotic carrier and dinoflagellates have the same seasonality.
Reply: We appreciate the concerns raised by the reviewer regarding the ecology of dinocysts. (1). I. pallidum certainly has ambiguous/evolutionary affinities. Given the data generated in the study, the main signal, an alternation between N. labyrinthus and I. aculeatum/O.centrocarpum is clear. Such an alternation obviously indicates distinctive oceanographic conditions based on both the modern Southern Ocean distribution (Thöle et al., 2023) and Pliocene North Atlantic distribution (De Schepper et al., 2011). (2). Given the location of Site 1168, even if lateral transport happened, the site would receive the dinocysts derived from the same oceanic zone. Reworked dinocysts were not noticed, even though there are sporadic Lingulodinium found. (3) Both SST proxies are calibrated to mean annual SST, so are the dinocyst clusters.
Proposed changes: We will discuss about the potential changes in dinocyst affinities and acknowledge to the suggested literatures in section 4.1 as follows. “Our interpretation on dinocyst assemblage is mainly based on its modern distribution (Thöle et al., 2023). An evolutionary affinity of dinocyst assemblage/cluster can potential hamper an absolute quantitative estimation of paleo-oceanic conditions. For example, Impagidinium pallidum is restricted to polar regions in modern ocean (Zonneveld et al., 2013), however, it thrived in lower latitudes in the Neogene and associated with higher SSTs (De Schepper et al., 2011; Hennissen et al., 2017). Given the dinocyst assemblage record found at Site 1168, an alternation from warm (I. aculeatum and O. centrocarpum) to cool (N. labyrinthus) assemblage is distinctive, which was similarly discovered in the Pliocene North Atlantic (De Schepper et al., 2009, 2011).”
- Line 102: “spiking samples with Lycopodium clavatum”. Why spike the samples if then dinoflagellate cyst concentrations or dinoflagellate cyst burial fluxes are not calculated (I could not find any further results based on the addition of clavatum , have I missed this?) ? This could be very enlightening as a proxy for palaeoproductivity, especially when the paleoceanography changes as profoundly as the authors suggest. For most IODP/ODP projects the salt free bulk density is measured which in combination with counts of L. clavatumand dinoflagellate cyst census counts gives you a dinoflagellate cyst burial flux, a rough indicator for palaeoproductivity corrected for sedimentation rate (e.g., Hennissen et al., 2014; Versteegh et al., 1996)
Reply: Indeed, the concentration/flux was not presented. Total concentration of dinocysts remains relatively stable throughput the record, except a substantial increase at 34.05mbsf (~3240 ka).
Proposed changes: We will update the supplementary data with sample weight, dinocyst concentration and flux. We will incorporate the concentration/flux information into supplementary file and results.
- This study by Hou et al. shows many parallels to De Schepper et al. (2009) and De Schepper et al. (2013) where a dinoflagellate cyst record is combined with SST measurements and salinity estimates to document paleoceanographic changes over MIS M2. The only difference is the oceanic domain: the current authors focus on the Southern Ocean while De Schepper and co-authors studied the North Atlantic, although they also synthesised their findings in a review paper which includes the Antarctic domain (De Schepper et al., 2014). I find it surprising that the current authors do not compare or contrast their results with those studies given the use of the exact same proxies over the same interval. De Schepper et al. (2013) is only mentioned in passing (line 226) even though those authors clearly articulate potential scenarios for the origins of MIS M2, favouring “a specific forcing, unique within this time period” over astronomical forcing alone.
Reply: We have carefully read these literatures during our study. As the reviewer mentioned, those studies are focusing on the other side of the earth, thus they were not cited in the first submission. Regarding the forcing of MIS M2, it is still mysterious and requires more investigation. Although De Schepper et al. (2013) has proposed a shallow open Central American Seaway hypothesis, modelling outputs do not support that (Tan et al., 2017; epsl).
Proposed changes: We will cite the suggested literatures, please refer to point 3 above.
Minor comments
Line 7: It should be noted that the reason why the Pliocene is an excellent paradigm for end-of-21st century climate is that not only CO2 concentrations and temperatures are comparable to those projected for the end of the century by the IPCC, but certainly as important, especially for a paleoceanographic study, is that the continental configuration was roughly comparable to today’s with some important differences in the Panamanian Isthmus that may have regulated ocean currents (e.g., Driscoll and Haug, 1998; Lunt et al., 2008).
Reply: We agree with the reviewer that continental configuration is a crucial additional similarity between modern and the Pliocene.
This study focuses on the reason of pCO2 change across MIS M2 thus we only emphasized the similarity in pCO2.
Proposed changes: “...because of the similar orbital and continental configuration as today”
Line 15: I suggest replacing “the M2” with MIS M2 throughout. Also, note the inconsistency here with the date in line 10.
Reply: We have used MIS M2 throughout the manuscript. We have clarified that the latter date indicates the interval across MIS M2, rather than the maximum in d18O.
Proposed changes: Will rephrase as “especially the interval (3320–3260 ka) across MIS M2.” in the abstract
Line 32: “past decades”. Sabine et al. (2004) looked at the period 1800–1994 with some references to the period up to 1999. Since then, nearly three decades passed, invalidating the statement “the past decades”. Maybe refer to Gruber et al. (2023)?
Proposed changes: We will cite both.
Line 70: I would add ‘current’ or ‘extant’ ahead of ocean carbon sink, because how sure are we it was a major carbon sink during MIS M2?
Proposed changes: We will correct as suggested.
Line 76–77: is it plausible to fix the latitudinal position of an oceanographic front using a single location/borehole?
Proposed changes: We will use “migration” instead of “position”.
Lines 169–173: I think this is great to mention why Hole 1168A is preferred over the composite while warning against this practice when unfamiliar with the study material.
Proposed changes: We corrected as follows “...Hole A, which yields the longest extent and best recovery, we decided…”
Table 1: Should the source of the first line not be Exon et al., 2001. I understand the tiepoint was chosen by the authors, but they did not generate the data behind it.
Proposed changes: Source of #1 updated
Lines 189–195: why is there such a spread in SST in Figure 4?
Reply: Fig.4a presents the SSTs from both Site1168 and Site 959. SSTs of Site 1168 consist of 2 proxies (UK’37 and TEX86) and 3 calibrations (2 for TEX86).
Line 224: indicate mPWP on Figure 4.
Proposed changes: We will update the figure as suggested.
Line 228: SST from the deep ocean? Rephrase.
Proposed changes: Will rephrase as “temperature reconstructions”
Lines 228–232: I am lost here. The authors state that M2 does not appear to coincide with a major cooling, which is contradicted by their own study (Hou et al., 2023), the results in Figure 4 and what they write in line 229 (“the extreme SST response to M2…”).
Reply: Combining previous studies and data in this study, there are spatial differences of the temperature change associated with MIS M2. There is little cooling found in the high latitudes, but the cooling in the mid-latitude (Site 1168) is significant.
Lines 240–242: is this substantiated by for example an increase in IRD in the core?
Reply: We did not accurately investigate the presence of IRD in this core. This site was not really in the likely region of IRD delivery. IRD was not noticed during foraminifera sieving and picking. IRD could have been fully released before the ice bergs entered the SAZ. IRD increase can be found in the Antarctic margin as mentioned in section 4.2 (Cook et al., 2013; Patterson et al., 2014). Furthermore, the impact (freshening/cooling) area of iceberg melting is larger that their spatial presence (Merino et al., 2016; https://doi.org/10.1016/j.ocemod.2016.05.001), Site 1168 could have been affected by meltwater even if no IRD is found.
Proposed changes: We have corrected as “we infer that ...which eventually melted in the SAZ or the massive iceberg melting would have impacted larger area than its spatial presence (Merino et al., 2016).”
Lines 246–247: these appear to be statements of fact not backed up by either observations and calculations or citations. Please amend.
Reply: These are inferred based on our dinocyst data.
Proposed changes: We now refer to Fig. 5b.
Line 258: which species are they? Discuss (with citations) why they are considered to be warm water taxa.
Proposed changes: We have updated as following: “... warm species such as O. centrocarpum, I. aculeatum and Spiniferites spp. (Thöle et al., 2023)…”
Line 313: freshened the sea water, not the STF, right? Rephrase.
Proposed changes: We will correct as suggested by the reviewer.
Just as an aside. When discussing the distribution patterns of dinoflagellates, it would be nice (but not necessary if there are size restrictions) to see a plate depicting the most important dinoflagellate cyst taxa.
Proposed changes: We will add a plate as suggested in the supplementary file.
Citation: https://doi.org/10.5194/cp-2024-33-AC2
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